Momentum

So, the two handed weapons set gets faster animations the more you chain the powers. Isn't that basically just the redraw mechanics enhanced and purposefully put into a set?

I mean, it seems to favor non-clickie secondaries to an even greater degree than what we already have. How much fun is a two-hand/regen set going to be if you grind to a halt whenever you break your chain?

It's an interesting idea, but it's one of the least enjoyable things that they've accidentally put into the game, so I don't see why they would do it intentionally. Not only is it a gimmick, but it's a potentially annoying gimmick.

1) We have no idea how the set will work, mechanically. A click heal may not break the "chain" for all we know.

2) The set is still under development and a long time away. There is a good chance it may change.

Who is to say that momentum won't end up being a bar that fills similar to fury or domination with different plateaus at which the speed of the animation and damage increase?

So that at 33% momentum you have a +25% damage and animaitons that are .33 seconds faster and moving up to 50% that.

I could also see it taking a trivial number of attacks to reach moderate momentum, perhaps 3-4 and then scaling up much like the changes to fury a few issues back.

Since the devs have stated that Titan Weapons won't be making it into issue 21 I don't even think the closed beta testers have an idea of how the set is going to play yet.

My stone melee toon doesnt "redraw" each hammer/mallot with each strike same with elemental weapons. The weapons in question may be "virtual" in this way. I know little about graphics/coding, but it seems that for new sets it could be worked around and that older sets are more intimately related to the weapon itself. A similar situation arises with granite armor and its powers: to have those powers you have to be a rock pile (no customizing).

Do we even know for sure how what Momentum does? Or is this people still guessing?

My guess would be a click power like KM's Power Siphon. Animation time redux is something I've always wanted to see in this game. I hope that Time Manipulation has a Haste power that applies this buff.

We have a vague description of how Momentum will work, assuming nothing changes between now and its release. There are any number of possible implementations of the concept that wouldn't penalize click powers at all. Here, let me make one up: Momentum could work like Dual Blades combos. Strike B animates faster if you use it after Strike A, and Strike C faster after Strike B. Like DB, using non-weapon powers in between would not break the combo.

There, I solved that design problem in under a minute, and I'm an amateur. Imagine what a professional game designer can do.

I don't see much difference in terms of impact to secondary efficiency compared to Claws, DB (FU/BF) or KM (PS).

The problem is with the performance of secondaries that rely on clicks rather than those kind of mechanics. Click heavy secondaries should perform better than passive secondaries, number wise, to account for the time spent using clicks, but right now it doesn't seem to be considered at all.

Just please don't let the momentum be lost when you miss. That'd be very annoying.

WARNING: I bold names.

I fight full contact with medieval weapons.

A greatsword combination is far quicker to flow into than to chain single attacks and reset between each one. Imagine click a power, queue a second one and then a third one and so on and if you don't pause to redraw or reset, or get interrupted - I can see three attacks falling into the time 2 would take.

A straight shot, cross over and then leg shot that causes knockdown all in one string.

If it is done this way it makes great sense. How about a leg shot that does knockdown + a cut + a crushing blow as they fall doing greater damage as well as the foe is on their back -wounded and crushed by a great weapon.

I wouldn't bank on it having a speed buff -and- a dmg buff as part of of the Momentum mechanic, but who knows at this point. It could have a BU/FU style power for +dmg and the mechanic affects activation/recharge only, for example. Or it could be a Power Siphon clone; click power that activates the mechanic and each attack stacks whatever the buff is to a stack limit. All just conjecture at this point.

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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades I fight full contact with medieval weapons. A greatsword combination is far quicker to flow into than to chain single attacks and reset between each one. Imagine click a power, queue a second one and then a third one and so on and if you don't pause to redraw or reset, or get interrupted - I can see three attacks falling into the time 2 would take. A straight shot, cross over and then leg shot that causes knockdown all in one string. If it is done this way it makes great sense. How about a leg shot that does knockdown + a cut + a crushing blow as they fall doing greater damage as well as the foe is on their back -wounded and crushed by a great weapon.

Yeah, that's basically the first thing that came to my mind as well. Less strike/reset, more flowing one attack into another. Perhaps it's a modified version of combos/fury. The more swings, the quicker/smoother the flow becomes. The bar drops like a fury bar, slowing your flow, or rises speeding your flow. Key difference being that only your attacks count, not getting attacked. The combo aspect would just dictate how one attack animates into another without resetting the stance.

Yeah, maybe that plays into brute playstyle - but so does Power Siphon in theory and many folks prefer that set on scrappers over brutes. (haven't tried the latter, can't speak to it).

Either way, I've been wanting a 2-handed set that wasn't a katana since day one. I'll be playing this set a lot. (Nothing against Katana, fine weapon that, just wanted other 2 hander choices)

Edit: I see Leo beat me to the "similar to combos" idea, without the bar. Which makes more sense and is more likely. The "bar" I guess could be considered hypothetical. (experation timer on each buff)

Yes! Preferably in a random direction.