The devil in the details: What can go wrong with Freedom {and how to prevent it}

Forbin_Project · 06-23-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironblade

Simplistic and nonsensical question. You seem to be assuming that meeting someone in real life DOES let you know if you can trust them or not.

Nope. I was responding mockingly to another posters simplistic and nonsensical solution.

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1. Don't invite strangers

And if you read the rest of my responses you'd have seen I quite clearly said that at some point we have to trust people we invite into our SG's or we will soon find ourselves alone in solo SG's.

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Both in real life and online, you use your judgement. Yes, that will result in some SG's getting robbed. Guess what, people get robbed in real life by people they trust EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Exactly. That's why we lock our cars instead of leaving them unlocked. We know for a fact that the majority of people will walk right by our cars and never even think of breaking in. We know we can trust them but we lock them out anyway to prevent the handful of crooks from ripping us off because an unlocked car is a target of opportunity.

Forbin_Project · 06-23-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rsclark

Doesn't fix the problem of how I'm supposed to get them in a group with me.

/help: Sewer team forming at the sewer entrance. If you are interested come on over and ask superdude for an invite. First come first served.

Mr. DJ · 06-23-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Clouded

Thanks and that's a bit disheartening that I will lose my ability to chat and utilize global channels.

from what I heard, there was mention of Premiums being able to use global channels depending how long they were subbed.

Also, the picture Forbin posted also said right below it, that it's subject to change.

EmperorSteele · 06-23-2011 07:02 PM

Man, I wanted to make a free account so i could invite my alts to my SG =(

Ah well.

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Arcanaville · 06-23-2011 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele

Man, I wanted to make a free account so i could invite my alts to my SG =(

Ah well.

You're not willing to make a free account, spend like a buck or two and buy it a nice hat, permanently converting it to a premium account, and then use that to manage your personal SG?

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Clouded · 06-24-2011 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ

Also, the picture Forbin posted also said right below it, that it's subject to change.

Yes I know which is why I was adding some feedback about the program. To help the devs make up their mind.

EvilGeko · 06-24-2011 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele

Man, I wanted to make a free account so i could invite my alts to my SG =(

Ah well.

Go here: http://www.amazon.com/City-Heroes-Pc/dp/B0001DLLWC

Now you have a sub account for $1.11 for 30 days. You can manage your alts right now. When Freedom goes live, you have a premium account all ready to go.

The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.

ArcticFahx · 06-24-2011 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville

buy it a nice hat

Something like this, perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler

Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?

Apostrophe guidelines.

rsclark · 06-24-2011 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

/help: Sewer team forming at the sewer entrance. If you are interested come on over and ask superdude for an invite. First come first served.

Misuse of help channel. That is not what the help channel is supposed to be used for.

The basic functioning of the system should not rely on misusing the system we have in place.

Anyone saying these limitations on the free accounts is a good idea loses all right to come in here in October complaining about help channel spam and a huge increase in blind invites.

Rodion · 06-24-2011 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tormentoso

Any chance we can get a LFT chat channel to go along 'Help'? That would divide the rants and make it easier for new people to find teams. Right now my impression is that being a Free player will be a lonely existence w/o some mentor.

It will be like it was back in the beginning of CoH: people used to congregate by the gate in the Hollows, using local chat to find other players. People didn't understand the team search window, or didn't bother to use it.

And then the same thing happened when AE teams were big: everyone stood around in the AE building looking for teams using zone or local chat

For that matter, it's that way for trials right now. The vast majority of league members come from people standing around in a staging area like RWZ or Pocket D. They use broadcast/local chat to announce the formation of trials and player availability.

F2P players will quickly learn the same lessons and congregate in similar places.

Liz Bathory · 06-24-2011 08:49 AM

Personally.... I will not move to the VIP server and will form teams with my awesome toons using the /search. A lft function the f2p people will have.

I will make friends... and I will show them what the game has to offer.

I will treat them like new potential subbing players... and I will ask the rest of my rather big SG to do the same.

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Forbin_Project · 06-24-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rsclark

Misuse of help channel. That is not what the help channel is supposed to be used for.

I see nothing posted by the devs that says players who only have access to the local, team, and help channels can't use the help channel because they need help getting invited to a team, or help recruiting teammates.

If you know of such a post please link it. I would appreciate seeing it for myself.

Back_Blast · 06-24-2011 01:24 PM

How about this, allow any player to *respond* to any /tell sent to them? That way at least you don't have to blind invite 'Freeks' if you don't want to. They can't *initiate* any conversations via /tell but at least they can talk back when spoken to. And in conjunction with that, have any invites they send state that they can't initiate such conversations. That way, the blind invite they are forced to send at least excuses it's blind nature and if you're curious to know more, you can /tell to them for more info and they can respond back. Basically sort of an 'opt-in' system for talking to them directly.

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Forbin_Project · 06-24-2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Back_Blast

How about this, allow any player to *respond* to any /tell sent to them? That way at least you don't have to blind invite 'Freeks' if you don't want to. They can't *initiate* any conversations via /tell but at least they can talk back when spoken to. And in conjunction with that, have any invites they send state that they can't initiate such conversations. That way, the blind invite they are forced to send at least excuses it's blind nature and if you're curious to know more, you can /tell to them for more info and they can respond back. Basically sort of an 'opt-in' system for talking to them directly.

/signed

But why would people have to send blind invites to free players? Free accounts can't respond in most of the channels but they can see what's being said in them.

Just announce in broadcast that a team is being formed at a certain location, like the entrance to the Hollows for example, and then invite the players that show up. People have been doing this successfully for years.

EmperorSteele · 06-24-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville

You're not willing to make a free account, spend like a buck or two and buy it a nice hat, permanently converting it to a premium account, and then use that to manage your personal SG?

...

I thought Preemies didn't have SG leader/invite access?

*shrugs*

Evil: The game for a buck? Huh! Wow, that... that's tempting...

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Arcanaville · 06-24-2011 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele

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I thought Preemies didn't have SG leader/invite access?

*shrugs*

Evil: The game for a buck? Huh! Wow, that... that's tempting...

I may have missed that if they can't invite at all.

Although this brings up an interesting question. Many of the boxed sets have a month subscription (all of them I think). Does that mean all those cheapo old boxes of City of Heroes floating around technically contain a month of VIP? If so, you could buy one of those and have a second VIP account for a month. You could set up a personal SG in that month, and after it expires perhaps there will be a way to unlock invite privileges for premium accounts down the road.

I wonder how they plan on dealing with that. But I think I'm going to start stocking up on dollar CoH boxes.

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TheJazMan · 06-24-2011 05:04 PM

I think the best thing the devs can do is give ALL players better content. Stop with the repetition and the re-hash...that isn't new or different than what we've been doing for years. It might help if you would fix some of the original TFs as those will be some of the things many new players will see first; not the best first impression by this game nor does it represent the game very well.