I'd say the A merits from tips. Takes two, and you chose the level you want it for, from the level the character is, on down.
IMHO Alignment Merits are the easiest way. Run tip missions and you can get one alignment merit every two days. A LotG +7.5% costs two alignment merits so that's about 3 weeks to get 5 (or less if you run TFs and convert regular merits or use multiple characters).
When I20.5 comes out Trials will also be an easy way to get them (assuming you enjoy running trials anyway). They are (IIRC) 32 Astral Merits each so on average that's less than 8 trials.
As for level, personally I get the level 25 ones so I keep the bonus if I exemp down. The level 50s do give a little more defense enhancement but generally not enough to make a difference.
I'll echo the hero/villain tip method.
Remember you can cash in reward merits for Alignment merits as well.
Otherwise playing the market (see a few threads in that section) but that might take you longer than the 4 days for alignment merit method.
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Otherwise playing the market (see a few threads in that section) but that might take you longer than the 4 days for alignment merit method.
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Crafting purples made me enough money to buy a full Apocalypse set in about two weeks with a relatively small investment of effort - and I'm kind of middle-class as far as marketers go.
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I'd say the A merits from tips. Takes two, and you chose the level you want it for, from the level the character is, on down.
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This.
I just (two months ago) finished adding 5 Lotg:+R to a toon, and I did it entirely with tips. Anything that costs less than 20 million Inf I bought on the market, usually as a recipe and craft it, it's cheaper. (20 million Inf is what it costs to convert 50 R-Merits to one hero merit.) Otherwise, I did Tips.
Buy one Hero Merit on day one by converting 50 R-Merits, and do 5 tips. On day two, do 5 more hero tips, do the morality mish, and buy a LotG:+R that day. You can buy 1 LotG every two days if you do it like that.
Actually, I did buy one set of Purples with Inf, not Hero Merits, but I only needed 4 and it was a relatively cheap set, so it only cost me 250 million or so for the whole set.
Okay Tips seems to be an easy, inexpensive way to go. Can someone provide a little more detail as to how that works.
I did the side switching with my Scrapper (Hero-all the way to Villian-now currently at Rogue) But I dont remember seeing any Merits in his Salvage.
Also, do you have to go anywhere special to cash them? Some kind of merit vendor I imagine
After you confirm your alignment to hero or villain (that is run 10 tips, get the morality mission and run that) you get reward merits. Every time after that you get 1 alignment merit.
You cash them in at fort trident or crucible. Here, let the wiki page explain in better detail: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Alignment_Merit
edit: remember that you can slide the level slider up & down. Not all recipes appear until you do so, if you after kinetic combat recipes, they stop at level 35.
I find it useful (like others above) to get LoTG's at level 25 for sidekicking down, and passing onto to alts.
You can also do random rolls, 5 recipes for 1 merit if you feel lucky.
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And you never will. CHANGING alignment doesn't get you Alignment Merits. REAFFIRMING your alignment is how you earn them. i.e. Being a hero and then doing 10 tips and a HERO alignment mission. Only Heroes and Villains can earn them (i.e. Rogues and Vigilantes are hosed). The FIRST time you REAFFIRM your alignment, you get regular reward merits. Every additional time you do it, you get one Alignment Merit.|
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I did the side switching with my Scrapper (Hero-all the way to Villian-now currently at Rogue) But I dont remember seeing any Merits in his Salvage.
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NOTE: If you have Alignment Merits and then change your alignment, YOU LOSE THEM! THEY GO POOF! Be sure to spend any Alignment Merits before changing alignment.
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As for the original question of the best way to get the LotG:+recharge - it depends. Which is easier for you and/or do you enjoy more?
1) Tip missions.
2) Task forces / Ouro arcs.
3) Earning inf.
Personally, I love doing task forces. My main character has over 6,000 reward merits currently.
I also buy a lot of them at Wentworths. At any time, I have a few bids up for 80-100 million inf. Eventually, they get filled. It might take months but, as long as I'm buying well in advance of needing them, who cares how long it takes?
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If you are a Rogue, then keep on running Hero tips. Every hero morality mission after you become a hero will grant a Hero Merit. However, if you change your alignment, then you lose all your Hero Merits.
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Okay I think I get it now
Just Wondering, would I be better off spending the merits on something else, and then buying the LotG on the market? Like spend merits on x, sell it for maybe 1 billion, buy Lotg for 100 mil.
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Personally, this is sorta the way I would go. There are a few recipes out there that cost 1 alignment merit eac and after you craft them, will sell for about 80-100 million or so each. Currently, with patience, you could get a LotG for as low as 125 million, possibly lower.|
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Just Wondering, would I be better off spending the merits on something else, and then buying the LotG on the market? Like spend merits on x, sell it for maybe 1 billion, buy Lotg for 100 mil.
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Myself, I've been doing random A-Merit rolls at level 33 since Going Rogue came out. I started keeping track at the beginning of this year and with 53 rolls done, I've made 120 Million per roll *after* factoring in crafting costs and market tax. So I just straight out buy LotGs. See link in sig for full spreadsheet.
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LoTG is one of the most valuable recipes on the market besides purple and pvp. LoTG require just 2 while purple and pvp cost over 20. Purples are under a billion while certain pvp recipes cost 2 billion and above. The maximum amount of inf you can have at one time is 2 billion, so players either bid for things like level 53 recipes or use other characters for when they have over 2 billion in inf.|
Originally Posted by Absorber_NA
Okay I think I get it now
Just Wondering, would I be better off spending the merits on something else, and then buying the LotG on the market? Like spend merits on x, sell it for maybe 1 billion, buy Lotg for 100 mil. |
In conclusion, buying LoTG through tips is the best method at the moment. Could always roll for it, but need luck for that.
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Okay I think I get it now
Just Wondering, would I be better off spending the merits on something else, and then buying the LotG on the market? Like spend merits on x, sell it for maybe 1 billion, buy Lotg for 100 mil. |
There are some single-merit recipes that can go for up to 50-80 million inf, but the prices fluctuate constantly. Similarly, LotG: +recharges fluctuate between 100 and 200 million. You might get lucky and sell two Kinetic Combat single-merit recipes for more than what you buy a LotG: +Recharge for. Or you might have two overpriced recipes sitting on the market for a week, and when they finally sell it may take another week to finally get the LotG that you could have had in 4 days outright.
I'm a sure-thing kind of guy, and with the market there's a high degree of uncertainty. If I don't want something in a hurry, I don't mind waiting for my low-ball bid to come in. But if I can get something with a minimum of hassle in just four days, why screw around on the off chance I'll make some cash trying to peddle two lesser values things and get one higher-value thing for less?
After you reaffirm your alignment, tip missions give you a huge value return on time invested compared to regular missions. If all you care about is getting the alignment merit, you can frequently do tip missions in less than five minutes, especially if you set them to -1/x1 difficulty and are careful to avoid doing the time-wasting missions (leading hostages out). I usually set +0/x4 to x8 on the off chance that I'll get purples or other useful recipes. It doesn't take that much longer with a tank or brute that has lots of AoEs, and you can always email the recipe you buy with alignment merits to another character.
And, yeah, monkeying with the market may give you a higher return per unit time than actually doing missions. But someone has to do the missions to generate the items we all want to buy. If everyone sits around in the market buying and selling, prices just go up and soon there will be nothing to buy.
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For your consideration - there are some single merit recipes that can go for nearly as much as the cost of the LotG - depending on how the market is doing - especially crafted. Take a look at some of the Kinetic Combats. Two of them might let you buy the LotG and still have a nice profit.
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Just Wondering, would I be better off spending the merits on something else, and then buying the LotG on the market? Like spend merits on x, sell it for maybe 1 billion, buy Lotg for 100 mil.
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Lotg was the main reason my scrapper started farming A-merits.
At 1st I was just selling them, to get a larger bankroll so I could start flipping better mechandise but eventually I tired of it and just emailed them to all my alts instead.
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The Hero Merit process is the slow-n-steady sure thing way of getting your Luck of the Gambler Recharge recipes. The market is the fast-n-risky way of maybe getting your recipes.
I took one of my oldest characters sitting on 110 mil and decided to try a little bit of marketeering (I'm generally not a Marketeer). I picked a niche that seemed to have a pretty quick turnover. Bought up recipes and Salvage, crafted them. The IOs were selling pretty steady for 20 mil, and I was crafting them for about 3-5 mil, a nice profit. I put them up for sale at 17 mil and they were selling quickly. After about 2 sets of 10, I crafted and put up my third set of 10. 6 sold at the same 20 mil mark, but then there seems to have been a market price switch . . . to 15-16 mil, just below my listing price. Those 4 have been sitting on the market now for 3 weeks at 17 mil . . . I could just eat the listing fee and re-list them, but I'm not really in a hurry. I keep hoping they will sell eventually.
The point of the story is that the market is volitile. You can earn a bunch very quickly, but you can't be sure if a market price fluxuation will suddenly result in losing out on some significan listing fees or take longer to sell. If you have Reward Merits and even a moderate amount of Infl, you can buy one Hero merit per day with 50 Reward Merits and 20 Mil Infl, earn one Hero Merit every other day with Tip Missions. Craft and sell a desired 1-merit recipe on one day and then buy your LotG Recharge the next day. If you choose your recipe-for-sale right, you should be easily able to make up the 20 mil it costs to buy one Hero Merit per day. You will have to do other things to make sure you have 50 Reward Merits per day.
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They can get 60 Reward Merits for reaffirming Rogue/Vigilante alignment instead of the 1 Hero/Villain Merit. After sliding back to solid hero/villain, they can convert 50 reward merits (plus a surcharge of 20 million inf) every 20 hours to make an A-merit, while also continuing to earn A-merits by running tip missions.
I've got a Rogue with over a thousand Reward Merits from reaffirming Rogue alignment. When he swaps back to Hero, those reward merits are going to turn into quite a few Hero Merits over time.
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Very interesting, but what level range are you rolling those in?
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Very interesting, but what level range are you rolling those in?
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My tip mission character is level 33.
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Just for your info - any time you buy a recipe with any kind of merit :
Specific recipes will be at the level the slider is at (default is your current level)
Random recipes, while it will be from what is available at the level the slider is at, are always at your level or the highest available for that recipe, whichever is lower.
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That isn't what I asked. I could see the level you were getting the recipes AT, since it is on your spreadsheet.
What level range is the ROLL you're doing? 10-14, 15-19, etc.
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All depends on if you like playing (tips) or sitting in WW or running back and forth crafting. Personally, i like to play. So doing the tips and finding pieces for 1 or 2 Merits to sell is alot more fun for me. All depends on what ya like.
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The Hero Merit process is the slow-n-steady sure thing way of getting your Luck of the Gambler Recharge recipes. The market is the fast-n-risky way of maybe getting your recipes.
I took one of my oldest characters sitting on 110 mil and decided to try a little bit of marketeering (I'm generally not a Marketeer). I picked a niche that seemed to have a pretty quick turnover. Bought up recipes and Salvage, crafted them. The IOs were selling pretty steady for 20 mil, and I was crafting them for about 3-5 mil, a nice profit. I put them up for sale at 17 mil and they were selling quickly. After about 2 sets of 10, I crafted and put up my third set of 10. 6 sold at the same 20 mil mark, but then there seems to have been a market price switch . . . to 15-16 mil, just below my listing price. Those 4 have been sitting on the market now for 3 weeks at 17 mil . . . I could just eat the listing fee and re-list them, but I'm not really in a hurry. I keep hoping they will sell eventually. The point of the story is that the market is volitile. You can earn a bunch very quickly, but you can't be sure if a market price fluxuation will suddenly result in losing out on some significan listing fees or take longer to sell. If you have Reward Merits and even a moderate amount of Infl, you can buy one Hero merit per day with 50 Reward Merits and 20 Mil Infl, earn one Hero Merit every other day with Tip Missions. Craft and sell a desired 1-merit recipe on one day and then buy your LotG Recharge the next day. If you choose your recipe-for-sale right, you should be easily able to make up the 20 mil it costs to buy one Hero Merit per day. You will have to do other things to make sure you have 50 Reward Merits per day. |
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Originally Posted by Absorber_NA
most builds i've seen (Tanks/Brutes) go for the max of 5 [LoTG:Recharges], so how are they getting them?
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The first question should be "Do you NEED them?"
There are some builds- a lot of builds- that get very good results from having a whole lot of extra Recharge. Which, as you have noticed, is really expensive. But a lot of the builds you see on these forums are designed with some or all of the following assumptions:
1) A billion inf is not too much to spend on a character
2) Thirty billion inf is not too much to spend on a character
3) There is no reason to work on a character build below level 50
4) You will never exemplar below level 50
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I will also point out that there's often a considerable difference in price between crafted and uncrafted LoTGs- just don't get high on your own supply.
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I am sure this has been ask before, but was just curious what is the best way to get Luck of the Gambler: Recharge Speed IO??
They are expensive, and most builds i've seen (Tanks/Brutes) go for the max of 5, so how are they getting them?
AE recipe rolls? Gold? What level?
Merits?
I have no idea, thanks in advance for any help