If I want a suit of armor to mimic/fight Superman.....
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Posted on: 2011-06-02 15:53 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Didn't the OP specifically ask for options besides magic and Kryptonite? >.>
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No magic or kryptonite?
Make a suit or armor similar to iron man but out of kryptonian steel. This is one of the few materials superman can not destroy with his bare hands or his powers..as it's pretty much as resistant to damage from him as earthen steel is to us humans trying to smack it bare handed. Have the weapon systems emit red solar radiation blasts.
(I recall it from Superfriends :P))
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I know that blue stars give Superman the ability to give his powers to others, AKA: Superman vision.| We have no idea what his powers are under Blue, Green, Orange, White, Purple, and Indigo...or any of the non-visible light spectrum of electro-magnetic radiation. |
There was an issue or episode of an older series involving DC heroes. The heroes had been split into teams of two. Superman's team found themselves near a red sun, and their ship lost power. Being near the red sun made Superman powerless, and everyone was headed for a fiery death.
The ship still had time travel capability, so the heroes used it to revert the red sun back to a much younger blue age. Suddenly, everyone found themselves with Superman's powers, while Superman himself had to try very hard to not move. This was pre-crisis Superman, who was already grossly overpowered......now imagine a blue star overpowering him even more. Even DBZ characters at their strongest would pale in comparison.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Also, magic isn't really effective because were are looking at a technological solution and it is unlikely you are going to find any magic that is that deadly that you could add to a technological suit...
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Luthor's power armor is extremely durable and strong. I don't think he could beat Superman in a fight, however, without using his Kryptonite beam attacks or his Kryptonite energy generators.
As far as materials go, there is "Kryptium," a vague metal from Krypton that is described in an old 60s issue of Action Comics as being stronger than any Earth metal. It is unknown if its durability and strength would increase under a yellow sun as Kryptonians do. In Superman Earth One, there was "Kryptonian metal" comprising Superman's ship that gained super-durability under the yellow sun, but this is non-canon, (as everything soon will be, I guess).
Okay, have a suit that can pour out a ton of red sun radiation.
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Pretty much this. Anything else and Superman could outlast it. You have to negate his powers or he'll win every time. Anything that's man-made can be destroyed, especially by Superman.
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
Okay, have a suit that can pour out a ton of red sun radiation.
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Immune? no. Highly tolerant to poisons? I'd say yes. It once took a whole liquor store of booze to make the Grey Hulk feel intoxicated before he reverted to Banner at sunrise, leaving Banner severely intoxicated and passing out and not reviving until it was almost sundown. |
Originally Posted by galadiman
As to how to beat him... has anyone ever gotten supes **Drunk**?
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So at least a store full of booze would be needed for Superman too.
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This; a suit made of very durable alloy that is both charged by red solar energy and can emit red solar energy. Plus of course Kryptonite.
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
Okay, have a suit that can pour out a ton of red sun radiation.
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I would suggest avoiding any 'thought based' weaponry.
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Problem is that being exposed to red solar energy doesn't instantly negate his powers, but he will run out of stored solar energy if he's not still exposed to a yellow sun. |
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Pretty much this. Anything else and Superman could outlast it. You have to negate his powers or he'll win every time. Anything that's man-made can be destroyed, especially by Superman.
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Case in point: in JLU when Captain Atom fought Superman to keep The Question from being rescued from Cadmus. Captain Atom used red solar energy and gave a good fight but Superman still defeated him.
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You basically described Luthor's power suit that he's had over the years in the comics and cartoons. Though I don't think it boosts Luthor's reaction times to Superman's levels.|
Originally Posted by Veritech
A suit of powered armor that essentially gives a being superman's reaction time, and has a Kryptonite Power Source? so something along the lines of Iron Man's armor or the X-O Manowar suit drawing on a combo of gold and green kryptonite power source. one kryptonite powered repulsor blast, there goes superman.
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Also such a suit doesn't do a lot of good when Superman finally gets ticked off and decides to take you down. Case in point: Batman/Superman Public Enemies.
Batman takes off in the missile to manually fly it into the kryptonite asteroid, Luthor tries to stop the launch, and Superman stops Luthor. Luthor attempts to attack Superman again and despite kryptonite powering the suit, Superman caught Luthor's punch in his hand, crushed the gauntlet of the suit and said "That was my BEST FRIEND!!.....AND YOU JUST KILLED HIM!" One punch from Superman, and Luthor coughed blood and quickly realized the error he made in angering Superman and flew away with Superman chasing him around the globe, slowly but surely dismantling the suit and finally decking Luthor.
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Yes, it's not so much a matter of blasting him with red solar radiation but draining the yellow radiation.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Problem is that being exposed to red solar energy doesn't instantly negate his powers, but he will run out of stored solar energy if he's not still exposed to a yellow sun.
Case in point: in JLU when Captain Atom fought Superman to keep The Question from being rescued from Cadmus. Captain Atom used red solar energy and gave a good fight but Superman still defeated him. |
You wouldn't even need the armor if you had the tech to create nanites that inhibited his body's ability to metabolize yellow sunlight.
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Actually there are 3 things that should be brought up...
#1. If you were to try to defeat superman it would be great to have access to the ability to control his powers, turning them on and off, at will. This can be done relatively easily. Luthor created a satellite based device that could do this in the late 80s early 90s... it was one of the first superman stories i read in my readings of superman...
#2. depending on version of superman you don't need shields and such... you just need to be fast enough, smart enough, and durable enough to keep just out of range for long enough to drain off his power... This was done in the early 90s to some effect. It didn't work 100% but worked well enough for proof of concept.
#3. Red "solar" light is and always has been a bad idea. While it is true that superman loses his powers under red solar light to varying degrees... it could be that he just hasn't found what powers he has under red solar light... As unlikely as it might be I wouldn't tempt it is all.
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He slowly but surely runs out of stored yellow solar energy when exposed to red sunlight, so if Earth's sun turned red or the light coming to it was refracted to the red spectrum before it reached Earth (this was done in Superman TAS) then he would slowly at first then rapidly power down. Exposure to the yellow sun will swiftly recharge him. Also if he's exposed to Kryptonite and there is a greater source of solar energy nearby for him to tap into then that can offset the kryptonite.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
Actually there are 3 things that should be brought up...
#1. If you were to try to defeat superman it would be great to have access to the ability to control his powers, turning them on and off, at will. This can be done relatively easily. Luthor created a satellite based device that could do this in the late 80s early 90s... it was one of the first superman stories i read in my readings of superman... #2. depending on version of superman you don't need shields and such... you just need to be fast enough, smart enough, and durable enough to keep just out of range for long enough to drain off his power... This was done in the early 90s to some effect. It didn't work 100% but worked well enough for proof of concept. #3. Red "solar" light is and always has been a bad idea. While it is true that superman loses his powers under red solar light to varying degrees... it could be that he just hasn't found what powers he has under red solar light... As unlikely as it might be I wouldn't tempt it is all. |
For your second example: if he's still absorbing yellow sunlight then he really won't run out of power unless you can make him expend it as fast if not faster then he is absorbing it. Case in point: Death of Superman, Superman and the Hulk...ooops meant to say Doomsday pummel each other to death. After Superman returned, the Phantom Stranger took Superman and Lois on an "out of time/space" tour of sorts to show them what happened and it was revealed that in the Doomsday fight he was expending energy faster then he could absorb it, but that even as he collapsed and died his body was still absorbing solar energy which kept it from total and irreversible metabolic shutdown.
So basically for scenario #2 you need the Hulk....er sorry I meant Doomsday (can't imagine how I mix them up
) or else someone like Darkseid to engage Superman in battle.
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Why do you keep insisting that Superman has millions of hidden powers that are just waiting to be discovered in the right situation, rather than just take him at face value? With all of your worrying, nothing would ever work because there's always a chance he could have a power to counter it. He's not the God-Mode character you keep trying to make him out to be.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Actually there are 3 things that should be brought up...
#1. If you were to try to defeat superman it would be great to have access to the ability to control his powers, turning them on and off, at will. This can be done relatively easily. Luthor created a satellite based device that could do this in the late 80s early 90s... it was one of the first superman stories i read in my readings of superman... #2. depending on version of superman you don't need shields and such... you just need to be fast enough, smart enough, and durable enough to keep just out of range for long enough to drain off his power... This was done in the early 90s to some effect. It didn't work 100% but worked well enough for proof of concept. #3. Red "solar" light is and always has been a bad idea. While it is true that superman loses his powers under red solar light to varying degrees... it could be that he just hasn't found what powers he has under red solar light... As unlikely as it might be I wouldn't tempt it is all. |
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
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This. Superman isn't God-mode just about as close as you can get, same with Captain Marvel/Shazam
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Why do you keep insisting that Superman has millions of hidden powers that are just waiting to be discovered in the right situation, rather than just take him at face value? With all of your worrying, nothing would ever work because there's always a chance he could have a power to counter it. He's not the God-Mode character you keep trying to make him out to be.
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it has been shown that he gains powers from different suns. There us no reason to believe that he may have powers not yet known especially under a sun he tries to keep away from
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Why do you keep insisting that Superman has millions of hidden powers that are just waiting to be discovered in the right situation, rather than just take him at face value? With all of your worrying, nothing would ever work because there's always a chance he could have a power to counter it. He's not the God-Mode character you keep trying to make him out to be.
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Did someone say red sun light...
...not that it worked in the end, but that was more because of Wonder Woman stepping in, shortly before Batman blew himself to smithereens!
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If Superman has any powers at all under red sunlight, it sure isn't flight, super strength, invulnerability or his assorted vision powers........so what could he have? Some all new dues ex machina power he never realized or just be depowered?
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Originally Posted by Durakken
it has been shown that he gains powers from different suns. There us no reason to believe that he may have powers not yet known especially under a sun he tries to keep away from
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Superman does not have powers under red sunlight. He has different powers under -other- suns, but not a red sun. Why? Because this is the type of sun Kryptonians evolved under, and under it, they are pretty much just like humans. I believe, however, that their bones and musculature are a bit more dense than humans, meaning they are, even without powers, still stronger and more durable than the average human. This is not because of solar radiation, but becase Krypton has(had) a stronger gravitational pull than Earth.
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I believe this is the case.
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Originally Posted by Not_Rhino
Superman does not have powers under red sunlight. He has different powers under -other- suns, but not a red sun. Why? Because this is the type of sun Kryptonians evolved under, and under it, they are pretty much just like humans. I believe, however, that their bones and musculature are a bit more dense than humans, meaning they are, even without powers, still stronger and more durable than the average human. This is not because of solar radiation, but becase Krypton has(had) a stronger gravitational pull than Earth.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
I believe this is the case.
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(I do remember a Legion story that Jim Shooter wrote back in the 60s where the Dark Circle used a heavy gravity plate to nullify his super strength, but in general they assume that he's a totally normal human without the yellow sun.)
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Well, before the whole 'yellow sun' explanation the super heavy gravity of Krytpon was the whole of the explanation of his super-strength. And also part of the reason he could ‘leap tall buildings in a single bound’ as opposed to actual flying. But that was waaaaay back in the beginning. Not sure nowadays how much the extra gravity of Krypton is used in the explaining of his powers.
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
Generally writers tend to forget the heavy gravity aspect of Superman's powers.
(I do remember a Legion story that Jim Shooter wrote back in the 60s where the Dark Circle used a heavy gravity plate to nullify his super strength, but in general they assume that he's a totally normal human without the yellow sun.) |
There's the stuff the Puppetters use to build their General Products hulls. So long as Supes dosen't chuck antimatter, it's pretty much indestructable. But that stuff is transparent, so you'd need something else to block Heat Vision.