If I want a suit of armor to mimic/fight Superman.....


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Screw the armor and trying to go toe-to-toe with Superman, just give my a .50 cal sniper rifle and krypto bullets, and a miss lane lookalike to distract him, bang, head explodes, dead.

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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd View Post
You do know that episode of B:TB&B was an homage? They lampooned the old, crazy 'Superman is a dick' comic covers, and they took the powered armor straight from Frank Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, in which Batman won the fight. (1) They even replicated some poses straight from Miller's pages.

For a fanboy, that was an awesome episode. I'm not sure that non-fanboys got it, though.

(1 -- Yes, Batman beat Superman in that comic, but he had the help of Green Arrow, some Kryptonite, and a nuclear device.)
Aha, beaten to it.

Dark Knight Returns was so much win...


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Ok, So instead of getting crushed, you GOAnd here’s the danger: Inside your safe armored haven, your armor is aok – it resists deformation like a champ – but when you hit that wall that is coming at you at 50/100/150 mph, it’s not the hardness of the armor that matters, it’s HOW HARD YOUR HEAD HITS THE INSIDE OF THAT STRONG, STRONG HELMET. Depending on how fast you’re moving when you strike, you might end up as a perfectly intact suit of armor filled with a pasty pink goo formerly known as You. (nice cadence there, if I do say so myself!)
Just need to control decceleration. If you talking crazy comic super science then there are any number of solutions. I know for my main power armor using guy, I use a combination of graduated density padding, the armors strength boosting artificial muscle fibers and a good old fashioned force field to mitigate thst sort of damage.

Depending on how things are setup, the human body can take a fair bit of punishment when it comes to decceleration. At the extreme end, there was a case where a formula one driver sustained a 200g smack into a wall and survived.

Also you can design active attributes into the armor like air brakes, Supes smacks you and you go flying, the armor could deploy panels creating alot of drag slowing it down to managable levels (well provided there is enough space).



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Originally Posted by ebon3 View Post
Just need to control decceleration. If you talking crazy comic super science then there are any number of solutions. I know for my main power armor using guy, I use a combination of graduated density padding, the armors strength boosting artificial muscle fibers and a good old fashioned force field to mitigate thst sort of damage.

Depending on how things are setup, the human body can take a fair bit of punishment when it comes to decceleration. At the extreme end, there was a case where a formula one driver sustained a 200g smack into a wall and survived.

Also you can design active attributes into the armor like air brakes, Supes smacks you and you go flying, the armor could deploy panels creating alot of drag slowing it down to managable levels (well provided there is enough space).
I can see sustaining one 200g smack into a wall, lucky guy. But more than one, and dependably? Not so sure about that.

A force field would be nice, if it existed. Air brakes... not sure they'd be useful within 10 feet, or even 50. And that assumes they weren't even deformed enough to prevent their deployment...

The materials idea, again, if a material existed, it might help... but again, repeated concussions at the level of football hits cause long term Traumatic Brain Injury; we may be talking 10-100x these forces over and over and over.

I still think any solution is significantly beyond what we can imagine today, and akin to magic (by which I mean tech that isn't easily linkable to current tech.)

Also, forgive my ignorance, but someone above mentioned that the grey hulk wsa semi-immune to alcohol - is there a connection to Supes? (<--noob.)


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I can see sustaining one 200g smack into a wall, lucky guy. But more than one, and dependably? Not so sure about that.

A force field would be nice, if it existed. Air brakes... not sure they'd be useful within 10 feet, or even 50. And that assumes they weren't even deformed enough to prevent their deployment...

The materials idea, again, if a material existed, it might help... but again, repeated concussions at the level of football hits cause long term Traumatic Brain Injury; we may be talking 10-100x these forces over and over and over.

I still think any solution is significantly beyond what we can imagine today, and akin to magic (by which I mean tech that isn't easily linkable to current tech.)

Also, forgive my ignorance, but someone above mentioned that the grey hulk wsa semi-immune to alcohol - is there a connection to Supes? (<--noob.)

Someone else I believe posted about getting Superman alcohol poisoning or somesuch presuming he isn't immune to it. I posted the Grey Hulk incident where Grey Hulk sucked down a store worth of booze so that his own immune system wouldn't burn off the effects right away and when he reverted to Banner at sunrise, Banner was tanked.


 

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I can see sustaining one 200g smack into a wall, lucky guy. But more than one, and dependably? Not so sure about that.

A force field would be nice, if it existed. Air brakes... not sure they'd be useful within 10 feet, or even 50. And that assumes they weren't even deformed enough to prevent their deployment...

The materials idea, again, if a material existed, it might help... but again, repeated concussions at the level of football hits cause long term Traumatic Brain Injury; we may be talking 10-100x these forces over and over and over.

I still think any solution is significantly beyond what we can imagine today, and akin to magic (by which I mean tech that isn't easily linkable to current tech.)

Also, forgive my ignorance, but someone above mentioned that the grey hulk wsa semi-immune to alcohol - is there a connection to Supes? (<--noob.)
An important thing to remember with Superman is that even if you can equal him in every facet physically his brain still operates faster than yours so it is a necessity to have AI and/or train your body to move at the instinctual level and to self induce the "flow" state. you can only equal Some Supermans in this aspect with real world devices (as far as we know) by tons of martial arts training, multiple AIs in the suit, and a neurologically linking system...

Depending on what superman we're talking about we can only accelerate to a certain point before it no longer is capable of keeping up no matter what.


 

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An important thing to remember with Superman is that even if you can equal him in every facet physically his brain still operates faster than yours so it is a necessity to have AI and/or train your body to move at the instinctual level and to self induce the "flow" state. you can only equal Some Supermans in this aspect with real world devices (as far as we know) by tons of martial arts training, multiple AIs in the suit, and a neurologically linking system...

Depending on what superman we're talking about we can only accelerate to a certain point before it no longer is capable of keeping up no matter what.
The way Max Sterling could integrate with his veritech and make it work so smoothly that it truly was an extension of him might be a good example of this.

However let's also remember that due to Superman's upbringing, that he is not a killer. He CAN kill but he chooses not to, thus he holds back a lot.

Two examples:

1. End of JLU "I feel like I live in world made of cardboard! Always taking care not to break something or someone, always afraid of losing control because someone could die!" He then cuts loose on Darkseid and gives him a super speed falcon punch that sends Darkseid through several buildings.

2. Batman/Superman Public Enemies: Superman watches the missile with Batman at the controls fly into space to smash the meteor. He then glares at Luthor, stops Luthor's kryptonite powered punch, crushes the gauntlet on Luthor's wrist and says "That was my BEST FRIEND.....and YOU JUST KILLED HIM!" One punch sends Luthor flying into the wall, he coughs blood and then looks up and sees Superman stalking towards him and realizes the mistake he just made of angering Superman and tries to fly away. Superman chases him around the world, ripping the suit apart as they are in flight.


 

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If Lex Luthor has taught us anything over the decades, it's that fighting Superman is like fighting a nuclear war: the only way to win is not to start.


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If Lex Luthor has taught us anything over the decades, it's that fighting Superman is like fighting a nuclear war: the only way to win is not to start.
Precisely. But Luthor's monumental ego just keeps getting in the way.

Though I did like the JL episode with the Justice Lords where President Luthor had his finger on the button and Superman said there was at least 6 ways to stop him and Luthor said "But they all involve deadly force and you don't do that do you?" he then lectures him about how deep down Superman loves being a hero, the cheering fans the swooning women and that a hero needs a villain thus Superman is Luthor's most reliable accomplice since Superman never crossed the line and stopped Luthor for good.....until that moment when Superman felt that Luthor was right and charged up his heat vision.....

However in defense of that particular Superman, the world was on the brink of nuclear armmageddon and Luthor's finger was right on the button.


 

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Originally Posted by ebon3 View Post
Just need to control decceleration. If you talking crazy comic super science then there are any number of solutions.
I just put down "inertial dampers" and leave it at that.




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Depending on how things are setup, the human body can take a fair bit of punishment when it comes to decceleration. At the extreme end, there was a case where a formula one driver sustained a 200g smack into a wall and survived.
Not a crash into a wall, but this is Kenny Bräck in a 214 g's crash, highest g-forces ever measured in a crash (wikipedia says 240 g, video says 214 g). Took him 18 months to recover.


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