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That is the thing. Midnight dodger attempts still aren't common on some servers. And if they are, they generally have people getting multiple nukes from Warburg, and shivans from Bloody Bay still.
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Originally Posted by Kotchie
But remember when "Midnight Dodger that Dodges at Midnight" first dropped and was harder than anything previous? Or when MoLGTF dropped and the green mitos had a Mag 100 hold resistance? Its all perspective IMO. Albeit those badges requirements underwent radical changes (one for the better, MoLGTF, and one for the worse, MDtDaM, nuke'em strategy got nerf-batted) Now it is common to see PuG's run successful Mo attempts. Those "hard" badges suddenly got easy with time, just like Keyes will become.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
That is the thing. Midnight dodger attempts still aren't common on some servers. And if they are, they generally have people getting multiple nukes from Warburg, and shivans from Bloody Bay still.
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I'd agree; the only way I got that Midnight Dodger badge was that almost everyone had warburg nukes and shivans/lore pets/etc...nuked the poor AV to death.
Oh and, ran 3 Keyes tonight....the last time we got soooo close to getting the Bunker Buster badge but....I guess we didn't cause no badge
Edit: No other badges either
Then again we only had 1 empath at the most during the 3 runs...
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One thing that I really wasn't expecting that isn't terribly clear in the badge description is that Bunker Buster gets awarded at the very end of the trial. So if you destroy the bunkers but fail to beat Antimatter (which happened to my group last night), no delicious badgeyness.
We did more runs today and managed to get Bunker Buster and Anti-Anti-Matter (separately, of course). The latter was actually quite a bit easier than I'd expected; I only died once, because it inspired everybody to haul *** through the second and third phases. 
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One thing that I really wasn't expecting that isn't terribly clear in the badge description is that Bunker Buster gets awarded at the very end of the trial. So if you destroy the bunkers but fail to beat Antimatter (which happened to my group last night), no delicious badgeyness.
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Yeah I (our league) knew about that and I do find it strange...doesn't badges like Synchronized and Not on My Watch get awarded to you immediately? I can't remember now.
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Yes, those two badges award when their conditions are met, not at the end of the trial.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
doesn't badges like Synchronized and Not on My Watch get awarded to you immediately?
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Oh and, ran 3 Keyes tonight....the last time we got soooo close to getting the Bunker Buster badge but....I guess we didn't cause no badge
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You don't get bunker buster until a successfull completion.
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In case you didn't know and abandoned the run at that point,
You don't get bunker buster until a successfull completion. |
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| During the Keyes Island Reactor Trial, bust down all three doors on a bunker within three seconds, and then repeat for all bunkers near Reactor Infinity and then successfully complete the Trial. |
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In case you didn't know and abandoned the run at that point,
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Yeah, the text for that badge should be:
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
I believe Energizing_Ion is saying that completion of the trial should not be a requirement for this badge. Given the other badges (Synchronized and Not on My Watch) do not only award on a successful completion of their respective trials, neither should Bunker Buster.
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It wasn't what I was saying in a way though...I said we all thought we had the doors down within 3 seconds of each other AND we beat the trial/AM down....but no badge.
hehNo worries though, we finally got the Bunker Buster badge just now
Now all EI needs is the Avoids the Green Stuff and Loves a Challenge badges
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Sorry for the quick /threadjack, but there's not been some other change for this badge that I'm aware of, is there? You can still use nukes and Shivans if you want to, even though Incarnate powers make them mostly unnecessary, right?
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
That is the thing. Midnight dodger attempts still aren't common on some servers. And if they are, they generally have people getting multiple nukes from Warburg, and shivans from Bloody Bay still.
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i think these badges are still ridiculous, and i doubt ill be seriously attempting them until they are either A) fixed (ie avoid green stuff failing due to pets) or B) changed (awarding at respective points and NOT at end of trial in the case of anti antimatter and bunker buster)
the only badge i have of them atm is the anti antimatter because our group rushed through most of it and had a LOT of healers (had like 4 emps +several other poeple with heals like o2 boost, ect)
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Even though Incarnate powers render nukes/shivans mostly unnecessary, I've yet to see a team actually succeed without nukes/shivans.
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Originally Posted by Blondeshell
Sorry for the quick /threadjack, but there's not been some other change for this badge that I'm aware of, is there? You can still use nukes and Shivans if you want to, even though Incarnate powers make them mostly unnecessary, right?
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.. in 60 % of Tin mage speed runs we do in defiant, we get dodger without shivans/nukes (we don't aim for it , it just happens)... the secret is to attack him ASAP in his spawning point, and have a lot of debuffs on him so to die very quickly....
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Even though Incarnate powers render nukes/shivans mostly unnecessary, I've yet to see a team actually succeed without nukes/shivans.
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It also helps to have lots and lots of +def shields, like colds, FFs or the incarnate buffs. I've done many runs where we just give everyone as much +def as we can muster and pull him to the door. We may set off the mines, but don't end up getting damaged by them. |
Originally Posted by preachmoore
.. in 60 % of Tin mage speed runs we do in defiant, we get dodger without shivans/nukes (we don't aim for it , it just happens)... the secret is to attack him ASAP in his spawning point, and have a lot of debuffs on him so to die very quickly....
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Combining +def with hitting him right away, before the mines can infest every nook and cranny of the place, should lead to success. However, most people end up TPing out I think, which actually decreases the chance of success IMO.
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On the flip side, 100% of the Tin Mage runs I've been on that people get the Midnight Dodger badge nukes and shivans were involved. I'm not talking about 1, 2, 3, or even 4 players with nukes & shivans. I'm talking about 6-8 players with them. Any less and no dodger badge.
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.. in 60 % of Tin mage speed runs we do in defiant, we get dodger without shivans/nukes (we don't aim for it , it just happens)... the secret is to attack him ASAP in his spawning point, and have a lot of debuffs on him so to die very quickly....
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Eh, no, not at all. A nice mixture of buffs and debuffs and it's a cakewalk. And with barrier out if people time their clicks you can easily keep an entire team way over softcap. Honestly it's gotten to easy. Now if you charge in their half-cocked then yeah it'll fail. Or hey if you don't even have the buffers/barrier, have people bring purple inspirations, 4 purples and 4 reds popped, he should die fairly fast. You have enough inspiration room for 3 strings of purples and 2 strings of reds.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
On the flip side, 100% of the Tin Mage runs I've been on that people get the Midnight Dodger badge nukes and shivans were involved. I'm not talking about 1, 2, 3, or even 4 players with nukes & shivans. I'm talking about 6-8 players with them. Any less and no dodger badge.
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The first time I got that badge we did exactly that - most of us had nukes, shivans, HVAS and whatever else we could throw at him. In fact, we had so many pets clogging the spawn point, he wouldn't spawn until we moved some!|
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That is the thing. Midnight dodger attempts still aren't common on some servers. And if they are, they generally have people getting multiple nukes from Warburg, and shivans from Bloody Bay still.
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But on the other side of the coin, I was running with some folks the other day and we were doing TM/Apex back to back, and we got The Midnight Dodger badge without a) setting up or b) trying for it specifically.
With the incarnate stuff it just happened to work out that way.
And it felt pretty epic too.
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Oh, so you are trying to say that what I've seen was wrong? Without exception, every time I've done Tin Mage, no one has got the badge without the nuke/shivan combo.|
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Eh, no, not at all.
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I didn't say it wasn't possible. However it isn't as common as you, and the other people claiming it is easy, seem to think it is.
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I didn't say it wasn't possible.
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I'm talking about 6-8 players with them. Any less and no dodger badge.
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I'm willing to believe that some players can do what the majority cannot. I know of players that have soloed nearly every AV in the game and most TFs in the game. That doesn't meant that everyone can. It also doesn't mean that I'm wrong that the teams I've seen can't, even in Issue 20, get Midnight Dodger without nukes and shivans.
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I think you did by saying
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Oh, so you are trying to say that what I've seen was wrong? Without exception, every time I've done Tin Mage, no one has got the badge without the nuke/shivan combo.
I didn't say it wasn't possible. However it isn't as common as you, and the other people claiming it is easy, seem to think it is. |
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midnight dodger is a tough badge, but its not as bad as the keyes island badges, i would rather attempt midnight dodger on all non-alpha slotted toons till they got it instead of getting the keyes island badges
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Yes. Yes I am. Yes it is. Not easy, but possible.
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Even others only claim a 60% success rate with a select group of people (speed runners). I've already said that I can see that some groups can do it, in multiple posts in this thread. It isn't common though.
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Seeing that you want to say I didn't experience what I experienced, I think I can safely ignore you because it is abundantly clear that you don't want to discuss anything. Instead you want to be right.
Even others only claim a 60% success rate with a select group of people (speed runners). I've already said that I can see that some groups can do it, in multiple posts in this thread. It isn't common though. |
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