Issue 20 - Patch Notes for build 2010.201105131851.1.0
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Aneko,
Posted on: 2011-05-24 10:31 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
This is a rip off. Better than it used to be, but still a rip off.
Notice of the Well (tier 3 component) effectively downgrades to 2 common components. Favor of the Well (tier 4 component) loses 12 shards in the process and downgrades to either 5 common components or 2 common components + 1 uncommon component. |
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Yes, it disagrees with the change in an abrupt manner. However the post doesn't make any personal attacks, and is presented in a factual manner. If you can prove that 40 threads do not make 2 common components, 100 threads do not make 5 common components, or that 100 threads do not make 2 common components + 1 uncommon component, I'll be happy to modify my post.
I guess I could have re-suggested that a tier 3 alpha component should convert to a tier 3 thread component (if a player adds some additional threads), but I expect that would fall on deaf ears. If they insist that a Notice is only worth 40 threads, then the conversion should be 1 Notice to at least 2 Empyrean Merits. The tier 4 component conversion is a blatant rip off that charges players 12 shards (completely lost in the conversion). If they insist that a Favor is worth 100 threads, then they should convert to at least 5-6 Empyrean Merits (if not 8) |
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You're not being "ripped off". You don't have to convert.|
Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
I'm getting a bit tired of being ripped off, especially when it comes to gated rewards.
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
Why should we be penalized twice?
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I don't brown-nose. But after reading almost nothing but complaints about the Reactive slot changes in this patch, I feel like I should point out several things that deserve recognition from other players--one of which is a fix for a long-term issue that seemed like it had been permanently put on the back burner.
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Incarnate Trials
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Incarnate Trial - Lambda Sector
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Incarnate Components
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PRAETORIA
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And now back to our regularly scheduled B**ch Fest...
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Yes, after all, if you're not grinding the trials all the damn time, you're clearly some horrible criminal who doesn't deserve anything.|
Originally Posted by Aneko
You're not being "ripped off". You don't have to convert.
You're not being "penalized", either. See above. |
Why don't you love the trials, citizen?!
Answer; Because I'm bloody sick of the trials, and want an alternate way. And the only hope we had of them just turned out to be another doozy. Whoop de doo!
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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It's far less of a rip-off than the Conversion to Threads you get with incarnate trial T3 and T4s though.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
This is a rip off. Better than it used to be, but still a rip off.
Notice of the Well (tier 3 component) effectively downgrades to 2 common components. Favor of the Well (tier 4 component) loses 12 shards in the process and downgrades to either 5 common components or 2 common components + 1 uncommon component. |
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Everything to do with Thread T3's and T4's is a rip off.
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Originally Posted by reiella
It's far less of a rip-off than the Conversion to Threads you get with incarnate trial T3 and T4s though.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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You're not gonna get a "costless" conversion from one "tier" of a crafting system into the same level of another "tier". if and when you DO get that, it's generally gated in some way, either by time, by some form of item, or by being a member of a certain "crafting guild" in many games. In the case of CoH, you can use the 18 hour shard/thread convert, and the like, but you don't get a "freebie" from one "tier" (alpha) to the next "tier" (the other slots). You're not being "ripped off" nor are you being "penalized". It's actually more of a nice bonus you're even being allowed to convert mats/tiers at all, many games do not allow this.
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
I couldn't agree with this more, if I was forced to. I'm getting a bit tired of being ripped off, especially when it comes to gated rewards. I've said it in another thread: if a Notice allows you to access a Rare component on the Alpha slot, it should convert to something that allows you to access a Rare component on the other slots. The same goes for Favors and Very Rares. Why should we be penalized twice?
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I couldn't agree with this more, if I was forced to.
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Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
You're not gonna get a "costless" conversion from one "tier" of a crafting system into the same level of another "tier". if and when you DO get that, it's generally gated in some way, either by time, by some form of item, or by being a member of a certain "crafting guild" in many games. In the case of CoH, you can use the 18 hour shard/thread convert, and the like, but you don't get a "freebie" from one "tier" (alpha) to the next "tier" (the other slots). You're not being "ripped off" nor are you being "penalized". It's actually more of a nice bonus you're even being allowed to convert mats/tiers at all, many games do not allow this.
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As much as I agree with that the WST conversions are nice, I completely find the bolded part irrelevant.|
Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
You're not gonna get a "costless" conversion from one "tier" of a crafting system into the same level of another "tier". if and when you DO get that, it's generally gated in some way, either by time, by some form of item, or by being a member of a certain "crafting guild" in many games. In the case of CoH, you can use the 18 hour shard/thread convert, and the like, but you don't get a "freebie" from one "tier" (alpha) to the next "tier" (the other slots). You're not being "ripped off" nor are you being "penalized". It's actually more of a nice bonus you're even being allowed to convert mats/tiers at all, many games do not allow this.
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I honestly couldn't care less what other games allow or don't. The devs should focus on what's good for THIS game.
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Any guesses when reactive will be actually fixed? I guess never. Things always seem to get "fixed" instantly when in the players favour but when its not in our favour well look at burn, how long did that take? 4 or 5 years ouch. So if the game last another half decade maybe reactive will work like it's suppose to. LOL XD.
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Once the next fix goes in, Interface procs in rains and auras will function like normal IO procs do when slotted into those types of powers. This is the intended design of Interface, as stated by one of the devs (Black Scorpion, if I recall correctly).
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Originally Posted by JayboH
Just want to mention how much I hate the Interface nerf outside of rain powers. Rain power ticks were way too much - no one is denying that, but toggles really, really anger me. So ticks of 12-13 damage every two seconds is godlike, eh? Really? Whatever, I am allowed to flare my nostrils once in awhile, just like others will ignore me for it.
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Positron: "There are no bugs [in City of Heroes], just varying degrees of features."
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When Burn was changed to the i4 or 5 incarnation this was as-intended. It wasn't immediately flagged by a dev as a bug to be fixed Soon.|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
Any guesses when reactive will be actually fixed? I guess never. Things always seem to get "fixed" instantly when in the players favour but when its not in our favour well look at burn, how long did that take? 4 or 5 years ouch. So if the game last another half decade maybe reactive will work like it's suppose to. LOL XD.
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So your comparison doesn't make a massive amount of sense.
I'd hope and assume the devs would fix the bug they've acknowledged within the next couple of weeks personally.
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What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? What the heck have other games got to do with this one?|
Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
You're not being "ripped off" nor are you being "penalized". It's actually more of a nice bonus you're even being allowed to convert mats/tiers at all, many games do not allow this.
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And that example is still cobblers. For my main, shards are ZERO use to me. I have my tier 4 Alpha slot that I dont intend to change. Shards, unlike threads, cannot be used for anything other than one tier. Shards are, however, the only incarnate slavage that drops in regular content.
So, to turn something utterly useless into something useful, I also have to pay a fee because...why? There IS no good reason for this. And yes, I get that a lot of people treat 2.5 million as loose pocket change. Well done. Good for you. Do you want a medal with that?
The fact you have to pay any additional cos is arbitrary and rediculous, however. And ALL of it is basically coming back to the same point;
If you don't want to grind the ITrials for all of your kit...well, tough nuts to you, because apparently having ANY other way outside the trails (i.e. making shards turn into threads for 1:1 and no added cost) is apparently too much to ask.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Just replying to support this position. Amazing that so many people are OK with the implementation of a fix that is known to be bugged in a way that negatively affects players rather than sucking it up and delaying the patch until such time as the fix could be done properly.
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
So, y'all know that this fix is bugged, yet allowed it to go live regardless. Wonderful!
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The immensely overpowered bugged version also negatively affected players with the freakin huge imbalance it introduced.
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Originally Posted by Moly
Just replying to support this position. Amazing that so many people are OK with the implementation of a fix that is known to be bugged in a way that negatively affects players rather than sucking it up and delaying the patch until such time as the fix could be done properly.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
The immensely overpowered bugged version also negatively affected players
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Additional Bug; Defiance seems to be broken. Need to test it further in-game, but with One (1) application of hold on my AR/Energy Blaster, Bust and Slug both failed to work under mez conditions, when they should have been working just.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Because anything that might possibly reduce the endless grind of what seems to be the Devs' preferred endgame methodology is a very bad thing, of course, and therefore must be discouraged.
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
I couldn't agree with this more, if I was forced to. I'm getting a bit tired of being ripped off, especially when it comes to gated rewards. I've said it in another thread: if a Notice allows you to access a Rare component on the Alpha slot, it should convert to something that allows you to access a Rare component on the other slots. The same goes for Favors and Very Rares. Why should we be penalized twice?
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As long as they fix Interface to work correctly ASAP, it is fine by me. I'll miss my perma alternating crashless nukes on my fire/cold corr, but everybody knew it was too good to be true.
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Yeah right. I took on all the AVs and Giant Monsters in the game all at once, solo, until this change. Right.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
The immensely overpowered bugged version also negatively affected players with the freakin huge imbalance it introduced.
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Please post more, your defensive statements make me giggle. We all need silly posts once in awhile to break the seriousness found here.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
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Originally Posted by JayboH
Yeah right. I took on all the AVs and Giant Monsters in the game all at once, solo, until this change. Right.
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I can't afford Photoshop.
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Originally Posted by Bookkeeper_Jay
Cool story. Pics?
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My new Youtube Channel with CoH info
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Reactive nearly quadrupled the damage of Rain of Fire on my Blaster - going from 3-4 damage per tick, to 3-4 + a 75% chance of 15 points with each tick. Never mind the fact that when a 5th application of the DoT occurred it overwrote the fist application (like all other interfaces) and caused an immediate tick rather than a 1 second interval as was intended.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
Yeah right. I took on all the AVs and Giant Monsters in the game all at once, solo, until this change. Right.
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The moment I activated RoF with Reactive, I realized it needed to be dealt with.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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This is bush league. To push a 'fix' that creates a new bug is ridiculous. This isn't a fix, you're just changing how the situation is broken, and in a manner that will piss off your players who use aoe powers with the reactive proc. It's very discouraging to see you guys operating like this.
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