Issue 20 - Patch Notes for build 2010.201105131851.1.0

I believe they should make it roll for any procs at each activate period - but add a modifier for toggles and Rain effect that will reduce the proc activation by a set amount - A damage aura that activates every 2 seconds for example , will have 1/5th the occurrence rate of a regular power so on average it will tick once every 10 seconds.

Originally Posted by Shubbie Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.

Yeah, that's exactly what I am saying. Every 10 seconds you have 1 chance to hit an enemy for a whole 12 damage. *facepalm*

As far as Burn, it will hit all 5 on the initial burst, which I agree with (once it is fixed.) Auras got massively nerfed to the point that it is near pointless.

My Fire Blaster can still pew pew during mezzes for lots of extra dot chances, so I'm still good with my DoT effect.

Originally Posted by Shubbie Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.

I picked that one because it recharges faster than 2 seconds vs auras.

Technically it has a 2.17s recharge, but with recharge it's down to under a second.

Originally Posted by Shubbie Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.

Nope.

EDIT: oh, unless you are adding in cast time.

Yeah I know - I was talking about my Flares power also firing more often than an activation cycle of a damage aura - which WAS hit hard by the 10s change for Proc effects back in 2007.

Originally Posted by Shubbie Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.

If you have nothing meaningful to say to me, don't bother.

The last one isn't awarding.

Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

Ditto.

The current bug has a fairly major effect on gameplay. The 'fixed' bug has an all in all rather minor effect on gameplay. And is temporary.

I'm amazed that so many people take issue with this. Well, not really amazed. I fully expected it, since people are like that. But still.

Is there any chance of fixing the waste of Ion Judgment if the target dies?

The situation I'm referring to is this: If my target dies during the casting time, the entire effect is wasted and the power is expended. This happens with Kinetics powers like Transfusion, Transference, and--to a certain extent--Fulcrum Shift.

Is this working as intended, or is there a chance that the AoE component will be fixed?

Also, is the Pyro lag spike being looked at? Since Pyro Judgment changes the terrain and obscures LOS, it creates some lag. If I happen to be within the AoE, I get a significant lag spike...enough that I just have to queue the next power and pray it goes off while I wait for the smoke to clear.

If the *only* reason you took it was because you heard/knew that it "made rain powers godlike/uber/etc. then you deserve what you got. Anyone who figured out that was working like that, knowing the rest of the procs in the game are limited to 10 seconds should've known that it would be changed. At that point you're just taking a (in this case, losing) bet that they won't fix it, or not anytime soon. To imply Reactive is totally useless without this bug is disingineous. The rest of us (people without damage auras or rain-type powers) have no problem using it at all, and it's WAI. While I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of grant-back, it's not the majority of people who went this route.

Don't presume to know why I took why I took it, because you're dead wrong. I'm not a person who freaking visits the forums, as you can see this is my SECOND post in 3 years of playing. I posted at the suggestion of support beacuse I had no idea how its supposed to work, but I do know now that it was not working as the devs intended if they are implementing major nerfs a month after release. I have 18 50s madeover close to 3 years, and 3 of my 4 main toons are fire based. That being said if I had taken it because I heard/knew that it was doing something it shouldn't have been then by your logic I would've taken it on all my toons. I have it on exactly 1 dom......

My gripe is the endless hours/days/trails grinding on that toon to get salvage for something that in all honesty no one (at least that I was playing with) was taking about before this "fix". I just want my salvage back to craft something different for that single toon since I had no idea. This is not like Ion Judgement that every player in the game was taking about it being overpowered from day 1. I'm not asking for the world, I'm asking that the devs make this right if something is going to be so drastically changed. It's a fair point and deserves to be considered regardless of your personal opinions and your godlike intelligence to know people's motivations.

Maybe you should calm down, then read her post again.

Note the part where I said "If" the only reason you took it. I did not say it was the only reason you did, but *if* it were, then it was stupid. Seems like you're being defensive for nothing. They didn't "impliment a major nerf a month after release." It did not function that way in beta, nor did it do so at release, as at least 2 threads, including this one have covered. A change to fix pets and pseudopets perhaps a week or two post-release caused this bug to crop up, thus causing the OP-ness, and causing said bug to be fixed. I didn't say "all of your toons" took it, I simply said that it was broken in rain-based characters, of which fire and ice are two of them, again, you're being defensive, as I never directly attacked you, nor did I "presume to know you", I simply said if that's why you took it, then it was silly. I like it when people use "by your logic" when what they themselves are using is *not* logc.

It wasn't "drastically changed" from beta, not from a week or two post-release, it was just "drastically changed" from the bugged state it was in 1-3 weeks ago. If the devs decide it's fair to award some sort of compensation for that, I wouldn't object to it, but by the same token I don't think it'll happen or is realistic, since it's (as far as we seem to understand it) a small portion of players overall being affected.

As a whole though, I've noticed people often get their opinions and facts intertwined and/or confused. I also never claimed to know anyone's motivations for anything, all I said was "if" that was the reason someone did something, it was a bad reason, as they should presumably know it'll be fixed eventually. Heck Hami-O unintended effects (i.e. the doubles enhancing an aspect of a power that can't be enhanced, when the other half of the Hami enhances something that *can* be enhanced) will be fixed too, Castle back in the day said as much, that it "wasn't a matter of if, but when" and it had been acknowledged as a bug/unintended for a long time, just that it had never changed. I can almost bet that *when* it does (whenever that might be) someone somewhere will complain, and or suggest that it's "been so long by now why don't we just leave it?" Heck, I'd have loved for them to leave the Riki Pylon missle swarms going against my ranged defense (which is fairly high) instead of AoE Def too, but that was changed a patch or two ago as well...

Indeed what a surprise! This needed to get fixed for the longest time, and it's good that we don't have to trip over the level restriction anymore.

-Johnny

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha ...I have the patience of a coffee-fueled flea...

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha ...I have the patience of a coffee-fueled flea...