Doctor Who 21st May - Rebel Flesh
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Posted on: 2011-05-21 24:25 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
When was the last one?
Anyway, I really loved this episode, it was really creepy and had great atmosphere.
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And when she had a worm neck and and was coming towards the camera was just AMAZINGLY freaky! I bet some kids ended up behind the sofa!
We had to have a duplicate doctor episode. They have to make a duplicate so at season end he can be shot by the space suit.
And of course Rory empathizes. He was synthetic for a couple thousand years.
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You mean the Doctor that was cavorting around with courtesans instead of being 'in a relationship' with River all that time?
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Originally Posted by Mandu
We had to have a duplicate doctor episode. They have to make a duplicate so at season end he can be shot by the space suit.
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Could be that the Doctor has himself re-copied at a later date, after he's had those experiences. Maybe he calls in a favor the Flesh owes him after whatever the Doctor does to resolve the situation.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
You mean the Doctor that was cavorting around with courtesans instead of being 'in a relationship' with River all that time?
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Goodbye, I guess.
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Or maybe the Doctor that was shot was the duplicate and the Doctor was in the spacesuit.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
We had to have a duplicate doctor episode. They have to make a duplicate so at season end he can be shot by the space suit.
And of course Rory empathizes. He was synthetic for a couple thousand years. |
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So The Doctor that died in Ep 1 of Season 6 was a clone made form the Flesh, Good EP tonight, next week well even be better 
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It was my first thought except the Doctor was appauled (with the head factory worker) when he realized that the Flesh were actual people and not just synthetic. "He had a heart!" I'm not so sure he'd ask one to die in his place. Unless of course it turns out in part two that for whatever timey whimey reason they aren't so "real".
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Yeah I was thinking along the same lines you guys were thinking of; the Doctor clone is the one that gets shot/etc....
But we'll see....overall I wasn't too impressed by the show...kind of boring/meh to me....
Maybe that was because I was tired (more than usual)....but...
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Thing is, the 'gangers obviously have free will in addition to being alive. Whether the Doctor who gets shot in the first episode is the original or not, he clearly knew what was coming and accepted his fate. Assuming both Doctors survive this 2-parter, one might make the decision to sacrifice himself without telling the other about it.
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Felt like the episode itself was kind of weak and a lot of the conflict was really unnecessary and just sort of seemed forced in. Certainly didn't expect it to be a two-parter. That cliffhanger, at least, had quite a bit of potential, so here's hoping it turns out decent.
Alternatively to the "the one that died is a Ganger made by the Flesh", maybe the one that survives is? Then Matt Smith can be the 11th and 12th Doctors!
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Yeah, I think this is going to be a big part of the story later,meaning the rest of the season, not just the second half. I have my theories, but I'm not going to say anything right now.|
Originally Posted by Mandu
And of course Rory empathizes. He was synthetic for a couple thousand years.
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Overall I liked this episode. It didn't set me on fire as much as it might have, but the whole vibe about finding two different factions, trying to keep them from killing off each other, the usual running around, etc. felt rather 'old time Doctor Who' to me, which I loved. The surprise about the leader being a ganger felt like a moment from The Thing and was played pretty well I think. And that snaky-head version of the girl... did it remind anyone else of Prisoner Zero? Maybe that was an intentional nod, or maybe a hint of something else to come later (not part of my above theories however).
Edit: Oh yeah, and another appearance by the mystery eye-patch lady! I like the fact they knew she didn't even need to say anything, just show her face to up the creep factor.
Ah, but none of you have mentioned the other thing....spoilers ahoy!
When Linda was cradling her photo and talking to Rory, the photo was of Amy as a pirate....and then it reverted back to the real Linda's picture. I had to rewind and watch that again to make sure I wasn't seeing things....I have no idea what that means...is time spilling over? Reality? The proxmity to a time traveller?
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It wasn't a picture of pirate Amy. It was just a picture of a young girl in a red hat and boots. That wasn't a picture frame either, it was a mirror. She was holding the picture of the little girl on top of it. Then she took the picture off and set it in her lap. She looked at her face in the mirror. Then she took a different picture, one she had been holding against the back of the mirror with her other hand, and laid it on top of the mirror.
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Originally Posted by SuperOz
Ah, but none of you have mentioned the other thing....spoilers ahoy!
When Linda was cradling her photo and talking to Rory, the photo was of Amy as a pirate....and then it reverted back to the real Linda's picture. I had to rewind and watch that again to make sure I wasn't seeing things....I have no idea what that means...is time spilling over? Reality? The proxmity to a time traveller? S. |
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a few things,
-I got the strong impression that the Doctor knew this was going to be the Genesis of the Almost People, and he was attempting to change things here.
-Rory's reaction is a bit natural, spending 2000 yrs as a Nestine gave him a unique perspective here( I admit a few bits, I was half expecting a Nestine Hand Gun would appear).
In terms of these being Nestine, yes and no, in that yes they will fill that role in the series, however they aren't litterly Nestine.
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
Could be that the Doctor has himself re-copied at a later date, after he's had those experiences. Maybe he calls in a favor the Flesh owes him after whatever the Doctor does to resolve the situation.
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Just saying i would guess the central idea of these two episodes is going to center around the idea of the real humans seeing the flesh as real people, and the flesh being upset that they were so easily killed off doing work for the humans.
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Maybe he'll get some pre-alive Flesh and strap himself into a harness? Or perhaps some sort of death clock!
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
I cant think of a situation that would make the doctor expect a living creature to be created only to be sacrificed for himself.
Just saying i would guess the central idea of these two episodes is going to center around the idea of the real humans seeing the flesh as real people, and the flesh being upset that they were so easily killed off doing work for the humans. |
Goodbye, I guess.
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I doubt it was a Ganger version that got shot in ep 1.....he did start regenerating after all, I doubt a ganger would be able to do that.
Still, anything is possible I guess
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Originally Posted by Coin
I doubt it was a Ganger version that got shot in ep 1.....he did start regenerating after all, I doubt a ganger would be able to do that.
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My other half suggested to me that the Ganger Doctor is the one that was shot. I wasn't overly convinced at the time however there are somethings that kind of fit into place if you think about them:
* Either Moffat is planning on killing off the Doctor or retconning the universe again we need some stand in for the Doctor to be killed
* We see at the beginning of episode 1 a few things the doctor has gotten up to (the tunnel, the hiding under the skirt, featuring in the old TV show) - what if that isn't the original Doctor but actually the Ganger Doctor who got displaced in time to some 200 years before the day the Doctor gets shot and those shots are of the Ganger Doctor just living his life. We don't know how the Gangers age so its a possibility.
* The above could be a possibility because at the beginning of the first episode the Doctor that is shot does not arrive via Tardis, the Tardis is not mentioned and the Doctor is lying on a car.
* They say that River Song kills a good man. This heavily screams the Doctor but what if it is actually the Ganger Doctor that River Song either gets in the suit and kills or sets up to be killed? The original Doctor would probably see the Ganger Doctor as a good man and we know River is willing to kill, so with the whole Timey Wimey stuff a future River Song could set up the Ganger Doctor to die to save her Doctor. However, this doesn't take into account the diary swapping stuff they talk about...
* On top of this we know Moffat is a huge continuity and interlaced plot man. He has already brought in the crash of the Byzantium mentioned in the Library episode, River says the first time the Doctor meets her will be her last and in the episode Time of Angels and Flesh of Stone there is a scene where Amy (unable to open her eyes) is sat in a clearing, the Doctor and River are about to carry on without her and there is a cut back scene of the Doctor telling Amy to remember him which is used in the final episode. But more importantly in that scene you only see the Doctor's sleeve and hand, and if you look you can see the Doctor is wearing his Jacket. However the Doctor of that time had lost his jacket so you can tell at that point that it is actually a different Doctor but the continuity of that scene is kept!
Anyway - thats my big fat stinking theory of it all
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Say, that's pretty good! That would explain the discrepancy he gave in his age in that first ep and what with the Doctor talking about how the gangers pretty much are real people, it's not like he could just zap his back into unprogrammed flesh without a serious twinge. Still, note that the old Canton seemed to toss that idea out after the Doctor was killed and I've heard Moffat stated categorically that "yes, that was really the Doctor who died" in the first ep.|
Originally Posted by Tired Angel
We see at the beginning of episode 1 a few things the doctor has gotten up to (the tunnel, the hiding under the skirt, featuring in the old TV show) - what if that isn't the original Doctor but actually the Ganger Doctor who got displaced in time to some 200 years before the day the Doctor gets shot and those shots are of the Ganger Doctor just living his life. We don't know how the Gangers age so its a possibility.
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On the other hand, Moffat may just be toying with us and this ganger-Doctor may die at the end of the second half of the story.
Dang it, I hate getting caught up in fan speculation like this, but it's really hard not to at this point.
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Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5
Say, that's pretty good! That would explain the discrepancy he gave in his age in that first ep and what with the Doctor talking about how the gangers pretty much are real people, it's not like he could just zap his back into unprogrammed flesh without a serious twinge. Still, note that the old Canton seemed to toss that idea out after the Doctor was killed and I've heard Moffat stated categorically that "yes, that was really the Doctor who died" in the first ep.
On the other hand, Moffat may just be toying with us and this ganger-Doctor may die at the end of the second half of the story. Dang it, I hate getting caught up in fan speculation like this, but it's really hard not to at this point. |
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I keep thinking that the Doctor actually got everyone off the planet already, and the people we see after they wake up, gangers and "real" people alike, are ALL actually gangers.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one with that theory!
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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
I keep thinking that the Doctor actually got everyone off the planet already, and the people we see after they wake up, gangers and "real" people alike, are ALL actually gangers.
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Well, not the -whole- planet, as they're on Earth. But the island, yes. Plausible theory.
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Anyway, interesting episode, not sure if we need another Dual Doctor episode again though?
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