If demand is that high, you must supply!

Okay, pardon that channeling of Johnnie Cochran, now on to business...

Every time I see a post complaining about ebil marketeers taking the circuit boards from the mouths of hungry casual gamers, the folks doing the complaining give me the impression that they only ever buy at the market, and never sell. I mean, if I'm selling off the things I don't need, it stands to reason I ought to be able to afford the things I do need doesn't it?

If you're strapped for cash to the point that 100k is too much for you to pay for a Circuit Board, Odin's ravens man, go punch Freakshow until they cough some up!

-Gate

I take it that you're speaking to me? You didn't need to create a new thread to address what you had to say.

As far as my influence flow, I can make a few hundred million easily and I do know how to play the market. The issue is that I don't have a farmer in the traditional sense and I refuse to make one (such as a fire/kin controller). So I use whatever level 50 I have at hand, which right now just so happens to be my tank. With that being said, AE farming is a very long and arduous process, boring too. However, I do farm tickets every now and then to keep my WW slots full.

As far as not wanting to wait or paying exorbitant prices? I don't think anyone wants to be paying 10 to 20 (or more) times the normal cost of anything. I don't have time to play every day so I don't want to be waiting to buy something. Selling is obviously a different matter. Before the incarnate trials, if I wanted a circuit board immediately, it normally had cost around 500 if I wanted to wait or that much or slightly higher if I wanted it immediately. It did not cost 200 times the amount.

It's all well and good that some of you in this forum have the time to be farming and logging in every single day, but for many of us out there we simply don't have the time to dedicate as we once had. The only positive this has brought is that sought after enhancements have come way down in price

I havent checked in a bit because of finals etc.
but last I looked prices were dropping like mad.

Maybe it was only the high-end items that saw a huge price decrease?

All Hell, you're right on. High end salvage and many previously expensive enhancements have come down slightly while others are seeing a more drastic decline in cost. I'm talking about common and uncommon salvage; the price is going up all across the board because demand is so high and because no one is playing enough normal content to provide for the market. We are seeing a 2000% mark up on some items. This is not fun if you're in your 30's and looking to I.O. until you hit level 50. It cost me 25 million to I.O. out my level 28 defender the other night; it should not have taken that much to do so.

Salvage prices are not going up across the board -- they're only going up for stuff that doesn't drop at level 50.

You can buy as many Demonic Threat Reports or Temporal Analyzers as your heart desires for as little as you want to pay. ^_^

Run a mid-level Ouro story arc like my personal favorite, The Freakshow Wars. Then sell the salvage on the market.

End, to me your post was merely symbolic of a type of post that seems to recur on this forum. I didn't reply to your thread because I was specifically not trying to single you out.

That said, if you're that adept at working the market, my sympathies are limited, as 1) you likely have the means to afford these pieces, 2) you know how the market works well enough that you ought to have seen this coming.

That said, all I'm trying to say is exactly what Organica was getting at. Sources exist for the things you want, in a manner freely accessible to all. If being a consumer is too expensive, turn the tables and produce instead.

Later on,
Gate

Horribly silly concept, they aren't doing well at the market and are looking for relief.

When I first started playing this game three years ago, I didn't use the market. I pinched pennies on purchasing DOs and SOs, and 100k was a lot of inf to have. I vendored all my salvage and recipe drops. Probably even a few that were very valuable, unknown to me at the time. Costume contests in Atlas would give away several hundred thousand inf as prizes, and the more extravagant ones might have given away a million as a top prize.

It was effort to keep my enhancements current to my level, and I felt "poor".

Then I entered the market, as I suppose a lot of new players eventually do. Inf starts flowing faster from selling salvage and recipes, and as time went on, prices for things generally rose. Costume contests were becoming more lucrative, with prizes in the tens of millions.

Now, the value of inf has dropped hugely, since there's so much of it floating around. To get respectable costume contest groups together, the more extravagant prizes are in the hundreds of millions, with lots of large lower-tier prizes. But still, the vendor prices are still fixed in stone at those trivial years-ago levels.

If a player isn't using the market to at least sell drops, or if their sights on what enhancements are needed to complete a character are high in IOs, then it's easy to feel poor still.

I suppose a lot of people still believe that your average piece of common salvage has a fair price of 250 inf, simply because that's still what a vendor will pay for it. That's not value anymore, that's round-off error. I currently list all my drops at 1 inf, basically unless it's a purple or equivalent, but only to get them sold and in the hands of people who might want them fast, and to keep my own slots clear for transactions with actual value. I'd list my drops at negative prices if I could. I'm generally competing in a glut market to get my goods out fast ahead of the other sellers.

I think the peak prices during the days better represent the true values of salvage. It's what the majority of people who want them will compete with each other to pay for the time scales of delivery they want, when they're all close enough in time to realize they're competing. And I think it also defines the smallest block of inf that people feel has any actual value -- probably 50-200k right now. Disagree? Try to hold a costume contest with a grand prize of 250k.

I don't believe there is any market supply-demand signal being created by prices that are lower than that; even though the percentage of profits may "look" amazingly high, a thousand percent of nothing is still nothing. We don't have the market throughput capacity to aggregate lots of small transactions into meaningful wealth. It would be like trying to trade wheat by the grain, or petroleum by the drop.

Same goes for IO's, too.
Often Endurance Reduction is one in high demand, for example.

Glad i memorized most of the Invention ones, so i can create some whenever i got salvage left to make some.

Money made easy. *palmrubs*

I can chime in in part of that.

Especially with commons, most of the time, it isn't worth trying to sell. It's only when someone decides they are going for some crafting badge that they get a burst in temporary value.

I'll say personally, I'm far more likely to destroy a stack of commons or uncommon salvage than bother trying to sell it. That said, it really only takes a mission run for me to get enough AE Tickets to stock up on whatever commons I need/want. So I dunno.

400 AE tix = 50 mid-level common salvages.

400 AE tix requires, uh, a minnit? If that long?


Every now and then I'll gen up a few hundred mid-range salvage and toss them on the market, it makes me some millions.