Update to test (05/17/11)

But a Ustream chat is a reliable place to get the info that they're WAI and thus will always work as they are now?

Who said it was ? If you have a failure to communicate the first time you don't fix it with another

I am sure you would not be so ill-informed if only Paragon could make some effort to help us track Dev posts...

It would be insanely funny if they actually put something like this in announcements so more than <1% of the player base would have seen it

Perhaps in some thread that was actually about the topic.

If you are saying the game is so easy you don't need debuffs then that is a different issue than the relative strength of the interface debuffs.

buff/debuff still trounces raw damage teams in both speed and safety, so I'm not sure I totally agree with your premise if that is what you are stating.

Further to that debuffing AV's (aside from -res, -regen and to a lesser extent -dam) has never been the key to success with any of them. So you relating how the debuffs aren't very effective in that environment really only speaks to how AV's have arbitrary rules that reward and punish certain properties that players bring to the fight. But again has little to do with the relative strength of the interface debuffs because they would have to be through the roof to have an impact on AV's.

For clarity though I think the interface procs aren't particularly well thought out introductions to the game as they were implemented or given the direction they seem to be going with these recent changes.

But the offhand Ustream video comment likely reached 97.23876% of the playerbase. I can see why it would have been vital to mention a reversal.

Do you think more than <1% of the player base really expected the devs to allow crashless nukes on a sub 30 second timer in the same issue they released powers obviously intended as crashless nukes on a 90 second fixed timer that did less damage than the reactive was doing in rains?

You should stop being goofy. It was obviously broken. Someone at Paragon obviously misunderstood how broken it was and made a comment in error. They quickly communicated back to us they may be in error. They are quickly fixing the broken Interface-rain/aura relationship. This all sounds like a company doing the right thing. Why are you so offended and upset at this?

The issue is that there was no effort made to communicate with the players. Acquiring incarnate rewards is already a sore point, invalidating the effort people put into that acquisition isn't going to sit well with people that have any common sense

LOL the entire incarnate system is ridiculously overpowered, or did you miss the effect of destiny on mastermind pets, or those judgement nukes ? Or the st dps from the pets ?

You mean like how before Incarnate Powers I couldn't solo a Pylon and now I can do it under a minute? And that's without any Tier4s?

Or how a Kill-All LGTF is as fast as the Speed version now?

I was thinking how people do Master of tfs at the same rate they used to do the speed versions but the principle is the same. I also remember the hew and cry that was raised when the new difficulty settings were put in about people running tfs at -1 and now its practically the default setting

/signed, hope all you test server folks can get this communicated before they patch this live.

The purpose of the incarnate system is to amp up our characters power levels considerably, so calling it overpowered is akin to the pot calling the kettle black.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

This.

There has to be a better answer than the stupid 10s rule; and the 1 target thing better be a bug.

What's next? Should my damage aura also only hit one target at a time? <_<

Whilst I agree it seems like a massive "gimp" to the original status, I somewhat disbelieve Interface was truly WAI. In operation it may be, but in the less subtle mechanics such as the limit/caps it may not have.

Of course Incarnates are meant to provide you with more power, if we compare Interface: Reactive to any other Interface Incarnate slot there is no argument that Reactive is, relatively speaking, incredibly "OP".

Fury

Please push this part to live now So far my favorite change.

The best IO procs have a 33% chance to fire and only work in one power. The best Interface procs can have a 100% chance to fire and work in most of your attacks that deal damage. Even at just tier 3, many effects have a 50% or 75% chance to occur. I am not opposed to increasing the rate of fire to 5 seconds, but Interface does already have a big advantage over regular procs.

The one target thing I expect to be unintended. But the "stupid 10s rule" is how all invention procs work. Because allowing them to work differently makes the powers far too strong. Invention procs would be too good if they didn't do this. The repeated pulsing and hits from rains and toggles makes the damage stack far too fast, especially considering that Reactive is more powerful than regular procs.

The previous iteration was already capable of turning a basic rain power into a nuke that could kill +3 lieutenants in one cast. You could cast Rain of Fire, Freezing Rain, or Sleet and kill an entire spawn of level 54 enemies including lieutenants with one power. I know the point of incarnate is to make us more powerful, but this is akin to just giving us a power that instantly kills whatever we target. There's a limit. This wasn't a minor increase in capability, it was "able to kill a +4/x8 spawn of enemies with one power every 15 seconds."

Reactive already has a huge advantage over procs. First of all it doesn't require any enhancement slots. And it works in ALL of your powers, even stuff you wouldn't normally throw procs in.

Normal procs do 71.8 damage at a 20% rate. Purple procs do 107.1 damage at a 33% rate. That means normal procs add ~14.36 damage per attack, and purples add ~35.343 damage per attack. And again, this is one slot per power.

Reactive does around 13.38 damage per tic, up to 5 tics of 75% chance. Meaning it adds ~50.175 damage per attack. It's better than a purple damage proc slotted in every one of your powers. And at t4 it can even apply a -RES proc on top of that. Since it technically procs five times per power, at a high rate, it's even much more reliable than other procs. IE, it's almost never going to not proc to some degree on any target you hit.

It doesn't need to be any more powerful than that.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

I would not be sure. The very high rate of proccing may have made the devs feel it was warranted. It is also possible there are technical limitations on their end that makes a "one target can be hit every 10 seconds limit" the only solution they have that can work for now.

I am all for asking them to change this. I am really sad that my Hot Feet will not be proccing my Diamagnetic as an AoE. Same with my Freezing Rain and Diamagnetic (silly me, most of the characters I have that could abuse Reactive in rains/auras went for Diamagnetic instead, although I did create a Reactive on one of them for testing purposes). Having them proc to the cap in one second was silly and needed fixing. Having them proc on just one target in the entire AoE is just as silly, IMO, and also ought to be fixed.