Move all my villains over?
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Posted on: 2011-05-03 08:17 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
When CoV first came out, I made two quick 50s so I could have the experience. Now most of my villains sit not finished, many in their 20s. It's NOT that I don't enjoy them, or that I don't enjoy CoV, but I like teaming and I can never really find a team redside. Part of me just thinks I should move them all over to blue and play there only. I doubt I would ever actually do that, but there are days.
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You are not alone. Almost all my villains are rogues now, for this very reason. I wish I could earn Rogue Merits, but, that's the price I knowingly pay for more access to teaming.
I've considered it on occasion as well for the same reason. I play at night/early morning due to my work hours and I often have to jump around on toons before I can find a team, and I always have better luck on blueside. Thing is is, I like the redside zones much more and the more direct flow of leveling through which zone. Plus I just don't see some of my toons fitting in; I'm not an RPer or anything, but taking my name-sake stalker to blueside would just feel sort of wrong somehow.
I'm sure someone will come along soon and reccomend you signing up for the various chat channels (something I need to do myself!), so you could try that if you haven't already.
I choose to move some of my villains over for other reason than just teaming. CoV side is depressing with all the trash on the ground and the cloudy skies. But the thing that takes the cake for me is the annoying mobs. You know the ones that are control resistant, or have too much smash/lethal resists for the level range. I switched over alot of dominators because of the control issue because I am not at a point where I can keep domination up 100% of the time. As for as teaming goes I do not think that will ever get better until there is parity between the two games in terms of mob composition and group content.
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Funny thing is, I think I am maxed out on the number chat channels I can have (unless that was recently raised). I suppose it does help some, but not nearly enough.
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Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5
I'm sure someone will come along soon and reccomend you signing up for the various chat channels (something I need to do myself!), so you could try that if you haven't already. |
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And Clave...just realized we live by each other. I am in the Springs, but from Denver...
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Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5
I've considered it on occasion as well for the same reason. I play at night/early morning due to my work hours and I often have to jump around on toons before I can find a team, and I always have better luck on blueside. Thing is is, I like the redside zones much more and the more direct flow of leveling through which zone. Plus I just don't see some of my toons fitting in; I'm not an RPer or anything, but taking my name-sake stalker to blueside would just feel sort of wrong somehow.
I'm sure someone will come along soon and reccomend you signing up for the various chat channels (something I need to do myself!), so you could try that if you haven't already. |
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If you can get to 50 quite a bit of content is co-op (LGTF, ITF, apex, tin, baf, lam etc) so you shouldn't have trouble finding something to do with people.
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I do agree with you on this, but the grind to 50 solo for 20+ toons...seems too much.
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Originally Posted by ultrawatt
If you can get to 50 quite a bit of content is co-op (LGTF, ITF, apex, tin, baf, lam etc) so you shouldn't have trouble finding something to do with people.
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Global Name: Denver Nugget
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Do you really need to get 20+ toons to level 50?|
Originally Posted by shaggy5
I do agree with you on this, but the grind to 50 solo for 20+ toons...seems too much.
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If you're focusing on end game, you'll do better off with a much smaller number of characters that are heavily invested in with IOs and now Incarnate powers.
If you are not focusing on the endgame getting to 50 is nice, but its the journey that people typically enjoy.
All that being said, you can do Rogue tip missions at L20 and then get teams on both Red & Blueside - level your way to 50 and then choose to stay rogue, switch to hero or revert back to full villain.
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
And Clave...just realized we live by each other. I am in the Springs, but from Denver...
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
I switched over alot of dominators because of the control issue because I am not at a point where I can keep domination up 100% of the time.
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I took most of my villains rogue, that way I can join friends blue side, but still run my red side arcs when I want. Of course, I also took many of my heroes vigilante. Being able to play with any of my friends on any toon I want is very important to me (which is why I hope for a server-less game (or cross-server teaming) one day).
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I guess we are not connecting on my point. My point is not to have a toon where I can get all the end game. I have 2 redside 50s as it is. My point was that I would love to play some of my villains more, but just can't seem to get a team. Getting them to 50 ends up being the "end", but playing them with people along the way is what I am looking for. So, yes, 20+ is the number because I would love to play some toons more.
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Do you really need to get 20+ toons to level 50?
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Global Name: Denver Nugget
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Then you have no need to grind 20+ characters to level 50 as you stated.|
Originally Posted by shaggy5
I guess we are not connecting on my point. My point is not to have a toon where I can get all the end game. I have 2 redside 50s as it is.
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
My point was that I would love to play some of my villains more, but just can't seem to get a team. Getting them to 50 ends up being the "end", but playing them with people along the way is what I am looking for. So, yes, 20+ is the number because I would love to play some toons more.
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And the best solution when you can't find a team is to start one, there are other player's in your situation who can't 'get' a team.
So be the one to step forward and start one, recruit in both your zone as well as any global channels you belong to.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Remember the best way to get a team is to <<snipped>> form your teams yourself rather than waiting for an invite from someone else.
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I realize that not everyone wants to 'lead' a team - but most of the time there are a handful of folks redside wishing there was a team going, but unwilling to start one.
Use channels for recruiting and start teams on redside. Honestly, if we had more people forming teams, fewer people would bounce to blue, and there would be more teams on red.
Just saying.
Also, I don't see the importance of being on blue over red for endgame. Most, if not all, of the latest endgame stuff has been either co-op or included a version for both sides. If it's about getting certain toons to 50, then go for it - but on either red or blue, starting a team is a much better way of 'getting' one that hoping someone notices you are lft.
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Not completely true. A lot of villains like to solo at low levels, you can form teams but not as easily as you can blue side. Of course once your high enough for the combined zones it doesn't matter. To the op move em and don't feel bad about it, we'll manage fine |
Originally Posted by MayorOfAngrytown
This.
I realize that not everyone wants to 'lead' a team - but most of the time there are a handful of folks redside wishing there was a team going, but unwilling to start one. |
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This is not always good enough, honestly. I've many a time logged in to redside and actively invited, sent tells, asked on global channels, all to no effect. There are times where all of these fail due to complete lack of players interested in either villains or teaming with other villains. It has happened, and is common enough in my experience.|
Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
....I think you have your answer then.
And the best solution when you can't find a team is to start one, there are other player's in your situation who can't 'get' a team. So be the one to step forward and start one, recruit in both your zone as well as any global channels you belong to. |
Teaming takes willing teammates.
Also, when in-game friends are playing blueside (which they enjoy more) it's a tough call to go solo or PuG redside if the people whose company you enjoy are elsewhere asking you to join them.
"Just make a team, then" is not always the right answer. It assumes the lack of motivation from the player, and assumes there are always willing team members available. Both are assumptions that are not always true.
Thank goodness for Roguedom.
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What server are you guys on I'm on Freedom and I never had problem teaming one either side. I have noticed this in the few months. Many are no longer using the broadcast to build teams, just FYI.|
Originally Posted by shaggy5
When CoV first came out, I made two quick 50s so I could have the experience. Now most of my villains sit not finished, many in their 20s. It's NOT that I don't enjoy them, or that I don't enjoy CoV, but I like teaming and I can never really find a team redside. Part of me just thinks I should move them all over to blue and play there only. I doubt I would ever actually do that, but there are days.
I have no questions...just wanted to throw that out there. |
Also, I find that many build characters on the weekends and play their 50s during the week.
Some of you are just saying, "well just form your own teams." I am totally willing to form and lead teams and I STILL struggle to get teams. That is what I am trying to say.
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That makes no sense, if I am understanding you correctly. Just because I already have a lvl 50 means I shouldn't want to level my other toons? Some people, I suppose, like to have a 50 and just play that. I am trying to say that I WANT to have fun playing my redside toons, cannot find a team (EVEN when I start one)
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Then you have no need to grind 20+ characters to level 50 as you stated.
I think you have your answer then. |
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I have found in my short time playing the game (since last Halloween) that the single best way to get invited to a team, is to log on planning to have fun soloing. You will get one or more team invites in seconds.
That at least seems to happen to me, and I play on Victory (though it does happen more on blue side, once enough others play with you and have your main name, I think you show up on your red alts too.)
You didn't mention what server you were on. Maybe it would be worth it to you to tranfer one of your toons over to Freedom or Virtue and see how getting teams there works out. If it works out great, transfer an occasional character over when it fits into your budget.
I have to say, I find CoX a much more innovative game (sidekicking, leveling pacts, side-switching) than WoW, but WoW does seem to have its 'serverless' pug system working (even though they have servers just like CoX does).
If WoW has got it working, it can't be that hard to do, so maybe the developers should get something similar working here. It would seem a high priority to help get those who want to group, their groups.
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I agree. There are a lot more 'joiners' than leaders. Based on the last statistics published, it's about 2 heroes to 1 villain, so there's even fewer people who are willing to lead redside.|
Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
And the best solution when you can't find a team is to start one, there are other player's in your situation who can't 'get' a team.
So be the one to step forward and start one, recruit in both your zone as well as any global channels you belong to. |
Even so, I prefer redside. Simpler maps and nicer folks. There are fewer people redside, but most of those who stay red are excellent players.
I usually lead teams so I don't have a problem finding a team since people come to me.
I did team on Protector, which is a less populated server, and was able to find a team using the search GUI. I simply look for names that are purple which indicates that he/she is a leader and send a tell. Or, I ask names in yellow which indicates that they are in a team and ask if there's room.
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Originally Posted by Jericho
I have found in my short time playing the game (since last Halloween) that the single best way to get invited to a team, is to log on planning to have fun soloing. You will get one or more team invites in seconds.
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For experience getting teams, playing a corruptor/brute at level 50 gets a fair many invitations from strangers. Masterminds, not so much, but here and there. (Especially if I mention I have forcefields) Basically, if I'm playing an archetype or powerset that people use as a go-to to help them, I can get onto teams. But this is during busy weekend times- weekdays at odd hours, it's hard to get things going so well, even with initiative. But that may vary server to server.
When CoV first came out, I made two quick 50s so I could have the experience. Now most of my villains sit not finished, many in their 20s. It's NOT that I don't enjoy them, or that I don't enjoy CoV, but I like teaming and I can never really find a team redside. Part of me just thinks I should move them all over to blue and play there only. I doubt I would ever actually do that, but there are days.
I have no questions...just wanted to throw that out there.
Global Name: Denver Nugget
Playing since i3 on 8 servers