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Ok, so they somehow manage to open a gate that not only connects with Earth but connects with it in the past. Then they find that Pittsburgh was destroyed by drones.

There has never in all the previous Stargate series been a gate located in Pittsburgh and on top of that in that time period the Goa'uld would have seen active stargates and would have gone to war with the drones. This was just plain a stupid premise for an episode.


JUST KIDDING! I just thought I would post an irrelevant argument based on only watching bits and pieces or not watching at all before somebody else got around to it.


I actually thought this episode was again really well done. Almost everything about it made perfect sense. I would have liked to see the team moving faster through the town and ferrying stuff to the gate for one thing. They knew that they were under a time limit and should have been moving rapidly from store front to store front and quickly showing anything they found into packs. Instead they were just sort of ambling their way around town. It's possible to be cautious and still move quickly.


My biggest problem however was with the drones. There is no reason for the drones (and mothership) to have high level artificial intelligence. They just need to be simple hunter killers. Yet in this case they were not only able to somehow figure out that Destiny was no longer using gates but that it fueled itself by diving into stars and calculate which stars they needed to travel to in order to intercept it.

But even with those problems I still enjoyed the hell out of the episode.


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I see we both atarted thread.s I'll try to shut mine down.


 

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Well I was surprised to hear them admit that ammo is running out but Young's off hand remark about getting one of the scientists to make more was hardly believable.

They don't have the equipment necessary to make ammunition nor the supplies needed to make modern gunpowder, lead for the bullets, and brass for the shell casings. Furthermore even if they wanted to recycle the shell casings they already used they haven't any brass catchers on their weapons to catch spent cartridges, and they haven't been making any efforts to police the brass from the ground around where they've been firing their weapons during the past 2 seasons.

Now from previews it seems the drones are far more widespread than some people argued in previous threads. If the drones can blockade every star and planet with a stargate Destiny can reach their territory must be vast.

While some may argue that the drones are just predicting the course Destiny is following they still need to know which planets actually have stargates since they can only detect them when they are in use.


Over all another good episode.


Edit: Oh and how stupid are the Ancients for designing a space suit without vision filters to protect the wearer from blinding light? Even our current primitive by comparison space suits have that feature.


 

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It's not really high level AI. It's more like pattern recognition software. The ship refueled at <x> type of star in the past. It is not untoward to monitor nearby stars of <x> type. Extend the monitoring to stars of <x+1> and <x-1> to be sure. Or they don't even need to know that it refuels from such stars, but rather that it stops in systems containing such stars.

If it was high level AI, the drones would've figured that they gated in to that world. Between the first activation and that Morrison's idiocy, they could figure out where the gate was. Take out the gate and then you can mop up the remainder.

What bothered me was how durable that drone was. Greer took out one by himself, essentially, and that one was zooming around overhead. This one took combined, sustained fire from 3 weapons to finally go down.

And I liked how they handily mentioned the ammo situation..."We're running low on ammo.". "That's ok, Brody can make more.".



 

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It's not really high level AI. It's more like pattern recognition software. The ship refueled at <x> type of star in the past. It is not untoward to monitor nearby stars of <x> type. Extend the monitoring to stars of <x+1> and <x-1> to be sure. Or they don't even need to know that it refuels from such stars, but rather that it stops in systems containing such stars.

If it was high level AI, the drones would've figured that they gated in to that world. Between the first activation and that Morrison's idiocy, they could figure out where the gate was. Take out the gate and then you can mop up the remainder.

What bothered me was how durable that drone was. Greer took out one by himself, essentially, and that one was zooming around overhead. This one took combined, sustained fire from 3 weapons to finally go down.

And I liked how they handily mentioned the ammo situation..."We're running low on ammo.". "That's ok, Brody can make more.".

The small drones may not have a very advanced AI but that could easily be a different issue where the command ships are concerned.


 

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The small drones may not have a very advanced AI but that could easily be a different issue where the command ships are concerned.
Even then, they don't appear to have very advanced AI. They brute force their attacks.



 

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Even then, they don't appear to have very advanced AI. They brute force their attacks.
That could be a limitation of the type of weapons they have. Also I'm not suggesting they have an AI advanced enough to design and create new weapons systems. I don't think they're dealing with a Skynet here or Cylons. No self awareness or we'd see something more than ariel drones.


 

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Well I was surprised to hear them admit that ammo is running out but Young's off hand remark about getting one of the scientists to make more was hardly believable.
And I'll argue again that they really haven't fired all that many shots since the start of the series. Very few episodes have involved combat (as opposed to the other SG series where almost every episode involved fire fights) and when they were in combat it was usually only a couple of the soldiers firing. John Scalzi the creative consultant for the show outright told them at the start they would have to count how many rounds the characters fired because they would have a limited ammunition supply. I have to admit however that your near obsession with this has guaranteed that when I watch the series over from the start I will be keeping track of shots fired.

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Edit: Oh and how stupid are the Ancients for designing a space suit without vision filters to protect the wearer from blinding light? Even our current primitive by comparison space suits have that feature.
I thought of this too but then I realized that suits are generally made to withstand not worse case scenarios but expected conditions. And I doubt if the ancients considered direct exposure to the light of a blue giant at close range was even a possibility.


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Edit: Oh and how stupid are the Ancients for designing a space suit without vision filters to protect the wearer from blinding light? Even our current primitive by comparison space suits have that feature.


Works well from 5 light-minutes away.

Not so great actually skimming through the star itself.



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And I'll argue again that they really haven't fired all that many shots since the start of the series. Very few episodes have involved combat (as opposed to the other SG series where almost every episode involved fire fights) and when they were in combat it was usually only a couple of the soldiers firing. John Scalzi the creative consultant for the show outright told them at the start they would have to count how many rounds the characters fired because they would have a limited ammunition supply. I have to admit however that your near obsession with this has guaranteed that when I watch the series over from the start I will be keeping track of shots fired.

It bugs me because I have seen how fast a weapon can burn thru ammo on full auto fire, and when ammo is limited it can go fast even when you are being careful.



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I thought of this too but then I realized that suits are generally made to withstand not worse case scenarios but expected conditions. And I doubt if the ancients considered direct exposure to the light of a blue giant at close range was even a possibility.
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Works well from 5 light-minutes away.

Not so great actually skimming through the star itself.

My point isn't that their suits weren't designed to be exposed to light of that intensity but that their suits don't appear to have any type of protection at all. Just a clear faceplate that doesn't even appear to be light sensitive.


 

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I predict the drones will have been created by their "descendants"


 

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I predict the drones will have been created by their "descendants"
I say the descendants didn't have FTL. and wouldn't want to hunt down Stargates. since you know, no FTL so they kind of needed them.


 

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My point isn't that their suits weren't designed to be exposed to light of that intensity but that their suits don't appear to have any type of protection at all. Just a clear faceplate that doesn't even appear to be light sensitive.
We don't know if it polarizes in high intensity situations or has some sort of advanced filtering tech. I'd have to go back and rewatch the series to see if there's any depictions of it thus.



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We don't know if it polarizes in high intensity situations or has some sort of advanced filtering tech. I'd have to go back and rewatch the series to see if there's any depictions of it thus.
A lot of this can be put down to Hollywood's dislike of hiding the actor's faces.

Now, if Destiny had been equipped with five spacesuits, each in a different primary color and a unique weapon on the belt, *those* would have full face shields. And Destiny would turn into a giant mecha. :-)


 

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So was Rush's letting Eli drive an admission that Eli is smarter and better at calculations on the fly in his head, or was it some admission of some deep seated self-doubt after the last few episodes portrayed Rush as a less than successful, less than admirable person?


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We don't know if it polarizes in high intensity situations or has some sort of advanced filtering tech. I'd have to go back and rewatch the series to see if there's any depictions of it thus.
I don't recall seeing anything like it which is why it bugs me. Hopefully if the girls eyesight returns they'll use the excuse that there's a previously unknown filter that kicked in to minimize the damage. If it actually gets resolved at all.


 

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Something that strikes me as being odd from this episode, they talked about only having 3 space suits.

A few weeks ago when they were grabbing supplies off the other Destiny, itÂ’s strange that no one thought to grab the other 3 space suits so that they would have 6 of them now.


 

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There's a whole lot of stuff they could have salvaged from the other Destiny if the writers hadn't insisted on having the ship falling into the sun while they rushed to grab whatever they could carry.


 

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The small drones may not have a very advanced AI but that could easily be a different issue where the command ships are concerned.
Plus, we don't know if there's a higher intelligence directing the AIs.



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Was not enough hills for Pittsburgh lol. Not a bad episode but kinda felt like filler to me.


 

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So was Rush's letting Eli drive an admission that Eli is smarter and better at calculations on the fly in his head, or was it some admission of some deep seated self-doubt after the last few episodes portrayed Rush as a less than successful, less than admirable person?
I think it was Rush's (typically under-handed) way of getting Eli to decide for himself whether or not to live up to his own potential. Eli watching the kino footage and seeing his alternate's legacy was obviously affecting him. Rush - and Young as well, for that matter - may have decided the time is ripe for Eli to start coming into his own and helping that process along.


 

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So I'm late to the party as always but just finished watching the episode and I agree it was a pretty good show

A few things though....


Did I miss an episode because where and when did the descendants get off to? My dad and I were perplexed...last time I remember they were on the ship or is that just another "don't worry about it" moments in writing?

I also thought the whole "don't worry Brody can make more ammo" was a bit laughable....plus I thought they got a lot of ammo/supplies from the 2nd Destiny before it went into the star (and they didn't use a lot of ammo in the 2 episodes after that one as far as I can remember)? o_O

Thought for sure Parker was going to die I was half-way expecting her when Eli was trying to save her, be all like, "no, save the plants!" and she hands him the plants and then gets sucked away into space and dies.... heh....glad she didn't.


Edit: And now that the ship has full power it can just blast the mothership away right?


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So I'm late to the party as always but just finished watching the episode and I agree it was a pretty good show

A few things though....


Did I miss an episode because where and when did the descendants get off to? My dad and I were perplexed...last time I remember they were on the ship or is that just another "don't worry about it" moments in writing?
I believe we are to accept that they were dropped off at whatever planet the refuge ships were still enroute to.

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I also thought the whole "don't worry Brody can make more ammo" was a bit laughable....plus I thought they got a lot of ammo/supplies from the 2nd Destiny before it went into the star (and they didn't use a lot of ammo in the 2 episodes after that one as far as I can remember)? o_O
They never had a lot of ammo to begin with. This is just the very first time they mentioned it.

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Edit: And now that the ship has full power it can just blast the mothership away right?
I'll answer this seriously for the sake of anyone not familiar with the show.

No. The Destiny is:

A. Millions of years old. Their defensive systems are pretty much on their last legs
B. Not a warship
C. Still heavily damaged from previous encounters with the drones and other hostile races they've encountered.
D. in the episode with the duplicate Destiny they had a chance to double their firepower but because Rush-2 killed Telford-1 they didn't have time to grab the component.