Copyright/Profane question


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I believe I did say about as much, yes.
Right, my point was correcting Aracnaville's suggestion that MA was on Dr. Aeon's plate.

"Being on your plate" to me is a term that means that "I'm actively working on this thing". Maybe my understanding is off, but going from that I'd say it's BS to say that it's on anyone's plate.

A more accurate statement is that AE/MA is on the indefinite back burner. The most you'll be getting for now is bug fixes, if any.


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How many weeks has this been broken now..? In seven years I do not know that I have ever been as disappointed in this game as I am over this..

Remember this part of the Kotaku 7 Year Celebration image..



Mayhap we need to amend a new entry regarding how many of the 375,000+ Player Created Missions ARE BROKEN..

Anyway, after much chagrin and resignation, I have repaired a number of mine that had become broken after this. I still, however, refuse to repair/rename any of the ones broken as a result of "Paragon" where Paragon City is an intrinsic and integral part of the arc..

I also compiled my list of words I encountered which I had to adjust/rename ;

Access
The Manipulator
Nightmares
Abyssmal
Abomination Purist
Author
Shiva
Paragon
Longbow


All in all, it's not a lot of words. It was, however, an effort beyond measure to scour every entry in every arc to pin down the 'invalid' entries. It was also an affront to have to do this at all for words which should not be inviolate in the first place..

On a positive note, although it may have waivered over this, I do still have faith in our entire Paragon Studios Team and remain hopeful that a resolution is in progress and we may resume playing/publishing without fear of overzealous filters very soon.


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[B]How many weeks has this been broken now..? In seven years I do not know that I have ever been as disappointed in this game as I am over this..
Ditto x 1000

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I still, however, refuse to repair/rename any of the ones broken as a result of "Paragon" where Paragon City is an intrinsic and integral part of the arc..
Same here. Renaming "The Golden Age Secret of the Paragon Society" is not going to happen. I'm thrilled though with the reactivation weekend since it normally generates new plays....oh wait, the arc is STILL BROKEN.

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I opened up a problem and we started working through it; but the issue that within MA that I cannot change a name from a profane name to another is still an issue. So basically, I have to save the costume, create a new character with an acceptable name, assign all of the same powers, and then select that new toon as the critter in the story.


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I submitted a ticket just to help log the problem with the arc. The response was that I should go through and change all the "offending" words. Thanks so much....very helpful.


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Hey everyone,

The authmerge earlier this week put in an update to the profanity filter for Architect and fixed things like Paragon being blocked. We're still aware that there are some issues regarding words still being blocked. There will be another pass over the profanity filter for these other exceptions and another update will be rolled out afterwards.

If there are more very common words that you're still finding blocked, please post them below. Thanks!


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I opened up a problem and we started working through it; but the issue that within MA that I cannot change a name from a profane name to another is still an issue. So basically, I have to save the costume, create a new character with an acceptable name, assign all of the same powers, and then select that new toon as the critter in the story.
You can do this. You just also have to rename the file when you're changing the name -- click the "edit save path" button at the bottom of the bio card to see what name it currently has. The system refuses to read or write filenames it considers problematic.

No, there's absolutely no justification for that.

My weirdness with all this is that I couldn't, for example, call a creature "Freakshow Spokestank" or assign him the enemy group "Freakshow Outreach" but I could still have him in the mission spouting off "Join the Freakshow today!" and use "Freakshow" freely in his biography and in the briefing.


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As long as the filter's being tweaked, is Regent Korol still blocked(from the Regent part)?

That used to drive me nuts. And shouldn't have been anyway, since Regent is
a legitimate word even when used by itself.


 

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Thanks for the update Dr. A ! Reassuring to know this is being worked on.

Still encountering problems with 'Paragon' and 'Longbow' though..


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Right, my point was correcting Aracnaville's suggestion that MA was on Dr. Aeon's plate.

"Being on your plate" to me is a term that means that "I'm actively working on this thing". Maybe my understanding is off, but going from that I'd say it's BS to say that it's on anyone's plate.

A more accurate statement is that AE/MA is on the indefinite back burner. The most you'll be getting for now is bug fixes, if any.
I believe I did say about as much, yes. "Everybody right now has Incarnate stuff on their plate, which doesn't leave room for much else."

Also worth noting for Dr. A and other arc creators:
a common problem that seems to be popping up (at least for me) is having foes from a set group such as "My Awesome Critters" show up bearing the label "All Custom Creations", or whatever exactly that undefined file is where every critter you've ever built lives. I've had reports of this happening to two of my arcs, even though they play fine otherwise and don't show an "invalid" marking.


 

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"Paragon" is still a problem for my arcs with the word Paragon in the title and my character The Paragon Bomb, an homage to over-the-top 80s pro-wrestling.

I also have various villain NPCs who have the villain group "5th Column" who are being flagged.

There's lastly an armored villain NPC of mine named "Zealot" who's being flagged. He can be renamed and redesigned easily (that arc needs some work, anyway), but what about the other stuff?

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As of right now, I still can't use the word Scorpion in a enemy group name or as a boss name.

Which means I can't have Black Scorpion in my missions. Because of his name....

Can't use 'Paragon' for a boss name because it contains the word 'Aragon'

Can't use 'Regent Korol' still because of the word 'Regent'

Can't name the Cyclops EBs 'Cyclops' because that word isn't allowed.

Still can't have the AV 'Shadow Spider' because it doesn't like the word 'Spider'

I'd guess that the changes that you think are live aren't really live. Or else those changes didn't do what you thought they did.


 

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Hey everyone,

The authmerge earlier this week put in an update to the profanity filter for Architect and fixed things like Paragon being blocked. We're still aware that there are some issues regarding words still being blocked. There will be another pass over the profanity filter for these other exceptions and another update will be rolled out afterwards.

If there are more very common words that you're still finding blocked, please post them below. Thanks!
Stealth fixes are good in the fact that they are fixes but the not knowing is problematic. While I appreciate you letting us know, there really should have been patch notes keeping people updated if there was a fix Tuesday. It's even comparable to how there were requested maps that were added during I19 but not listed in patch notes to let people know. It's not just the fact that this happened that has people riled up but rather the speed of communication combined with the silence on other issues concerning AE. Arguably, there should have been a GMOTD regarding this issue since many don't view the forums and were wondering what was wrong with arcs they played.

As people are pointing out, a number of common words are still blocked. It's interesting (if annoying) that AE was always known to have a more strict filter than character names from the main game despite the need for more leniency due to context clues. Obviously Spiderman (sP1d3rman?) should be disallowed but with redside being centered around Arachnos, "spider" in itself should be fair game.


 

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Add the word "Psyche" to the list of words that got nerfed.

In other words, you cannot use the in-game character "Sister Psyche".

Was there any intelligence put into this or did some moron with a diploma mill degree simply say "Add these to the ban list"?


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Originally Posted by Dr. Aeon View Post
Hey everyone,

The authmerge earlier this week put in an update to the profanity filter for Architect and fixed things like Paragon being blocked. We're still aware that there are some issues regarding words still being blocked. There will be another pass over the profanity filter for these other exceptions and another update will be rolled out afterwards.

If there are more very common words that you're still finding blocked, please post them below. Thanks!
Both Paragon and Nightmare are still showing as errors on my arc.



 

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I can't use the word "Freakshow" as an enemy group name. I was attempting to make an ally NPC's group name be "Mainland Freakshow" to differentiate him from the whole bunch of Rogue Isles Freakshow enemies in the mission, but the editor won't let me. It will let me use "Freakso" but as soon as I add the last S in the word, it throws up an error.


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I discovered that the word "catgirl" is apparently considered bad.


 

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"Paragon" is still a problem for my arcs with the word Paragon in the title and my character The Paragon Bomb, an homage to over-the-top 80s pro-wrestling.

I also have various villain NPCs who have the villain group "5th Column" who are being flagged.

Same here, "Paragon" is NOT fixed and still is flagged as a "bad" word. Also "5th Column" is still an issue.


Also, may I second Zamuel's suggestion that in the future when a patch is applied that is intended to affect MA a dev posts something here to make the community aware? We could have told you in a few minutes that the patch didn't fix the things it was supposed to fix.


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I still find that *****, *************** and **** are blocked.





I kid, I kid. Thanks for the update DA.


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Can't use the word 'Avengers'.

Now, I know that the Marvel team is called this, but in context to supergroup names we use in THIS game (i.e, Paragon Avengers, Rhode Island Avengers, etc.), we can't use that name in context in AE, or use the term in a sentence like, "...that team acted like civic avengers against those street-spawned Hellions" (ok, it sounds corny,...give me a break; I'm still on first cup of coffee...), but you get the hint.

The word/term 'Avengers'/avenger has context and use beyond the Marvel single-word copyright, ergo, this really shoudn't be blocked.


 

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Both of my arcs are still broken, and no, I'm not sifting through them to find the problem words. For one thing, the editor has become insanely laggy, even at 9 am in a nearly empty zone. For another, I'm sick of stuff getting broken and AE getting no attention unless there's another PLing exploit to fix. Oh yes, if there was an exploit to fix I'm sure it would have been fixed by now. I've tried to help in the past. I've spent two years trying to help. I've made suggestion after suggestion for improving AE, made post after post of stuff that needed to be fixed, and it's mostly been ignored, so fix it yourselves. I'm done.

It's pretty obvious AE will never be a priority of any kind, because what it represents is no longer a priority. The devs no longer care about the subset of the community that loved this game for the concepts and customizability and storylines, unless it's to sell them another booster pack. It's all about the min-maxers who don't care that their world has all the depth of a puddle, as long as they get to blow **** up in cool new ways. I guess it's a good thing I'm also a min-maxer, huh?


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I'm currently having major issue with 'Statesman' and any variation therein... I have two custom characters (both with Statesman from 1934 and 1941 respectively) and both (along with Enemy Group, Ally Group and even text entries for clues etc) continually register as violating the filter.

Any change to the copyright/profanity filter would be welcome in regard to such obvious wordings, as the power to block or even delete arcs that would blatantly violate copyright is in the hands of the devs here, not ours. The serious writers here wish to respect the canon and work with it or even just use language referencing it. I think it would be extremely reasonable to grant this request.


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AE DOOOOOOOM!

There, thread over.


 

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Originally Posted by Dr. Aeon View Post
Hey everyone,

The authmerge earlier this week put in an update to the profanity filter for Architect and fixed things like Paragon being blocked. We're still aware that there are some issues regarding words still being blocked. There will be another pass over the profanity filter for these other exceptions and another update will be rolled out afterwards.

If there are more very common words that you're still finding blocked, please post them below. Thanks!
Dr A, it seems to me it's not so much the WORDS that are the problem, but the CONTEXT of them. The way the filter is 'seeing' the words.
ie. a critter's name is one thing; a filename is something completely different and has no business being filtered.
Also the fact that it's seeing "Aragon" in "Paragon" shows that something is set seriously wrong with the context filter or filter settings.
In addition, it seems that the filter is not recognizing WORD COMBINATIONS or GROUPINGS.
"Angry Cyclops" should be seen as a word grouping, not as individual words where "Cyclops" is, understandably, filtered.
It didn't have these issues before the last issue update, why not roll the filter back to the previous, functional, release and work on the new filter on TEST? Which is what TEST is for! We'd be more than happy to give you feedback there.


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Oh yes, if there was an exploit to fix I'm sure it would have been fixed by now.
Wow, that's not true, as evidenced by those of us who remember how interminably long it seems to take to fix things such as the Rikti Monkey Farms. I assure you that you're not being picked on. I can say with relative certainty that your bugs aren't deemed unimportant enough to address.

I can't tell you how many times I've bugged, for example, text errors such as misspelled words. It seems fairly simple to me for someone to pop into the text source and simply change "cemetary" to "cemetery." I mean, five seconds, max, right? And yet several issues go by, and it's still there, silently sticking in me like a thorn every time I see the uncorrected word.

Unfortunately, though, there are only so many hours in the day, and there is only so much the developers can address given the resources they have. It's a pain in the *** reality, but a reality nonetheless. Eventually, I have come to the realization that stuff I want fixed will get fixed when it gets fixed, that no one is sitting there saying, "Another TonyV /bug report? Just delete it." One thing is for certain, though. If you give up and stop filing /bug reports, there's a 100% chance that it won't get fixed. (Okay, probably only a 99-point-something percent chance, since someone else may find and /bug it. Sue me.) Personally, I like my odds better on reporting it, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

By the way, as I recall, "cemetery" has been fixed and is correctly spelled throughout the game and all of the dialogue now, so it really isn't hopeless after all.

Oh! And you know what will help bugs get fixed faster? Pointing them out here, as people have done in this thread. You know what's not helpful, though? Posting angry messages. I've found that the nicer and more constructive you are in dealing with developers, the more likely you are to get your particular thorn in your side looked at. I'm just sayin'...


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