Copyright/Profane question


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'Regent Korol' and 'Cyclops' (for the Cimeroran Cyclops!) weren't allowable before the latest patch. But, as noted, Spider (as in the 'Shadow Spider' AV) now isn't allowed either.


 

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Originally Posted by Synergy One View Post
I'm with you Eva. Apparently a new list of words went in with the last patch. "Aragon" seems to be one of them, so everything with "Paragon" in the title is now flagged unusable. Also "spider". "Sentry" "Emerald" ....a lot more. Most of my character groups (previously existing) have been flagged unusable. Basically, really pissed off right now.
Sounds like they changed the parser to check for substrings, rather than full words.

Trademark law is rather restrictive -- you can't trademark a basic concept or a core word: you have to trademark one specific word with one specific unique spelling. That's why many companies use weird spellings for their trademarks: that makes it a lot easier to ensure their trademark will hold up.


 

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Here's another example for the ever expanding list.. Apparently names within names are having an effect. For instance, I have a villain named "The Manipulator" who has become invalid because his name contains the name of a particularly strong Man who transforms with a sword because He has the power.. Heaven forbid I actually use the name here.. Wouldn't want to get : Error: This post contains profane or copyrighted text..

There is of course also any noun, verb or adjective that is now invalid if it is any way shape or form related to any character anywhere.. Again, for instance, you can not use abyssmal, or have anything be a scientific abomination, or specify an author..

"Overzealous" as Z said wins understatement of the year I think..


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Hope this gets patched before our Sunday Ænvasion of Victory Server.


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Glad this is being worked on Z, thanks for the heads up.

In good news, I was able to take down Sister Psyche. Though Recluse still beats me down.


 

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Had an interesting little discovery that I hope helps in solving this. The arcs were throwing out errors in for an enemy group in Test mode despite not even remotely seeming like traditional generic superhero names. In trying to edit the group itself I noticed two things. In the mission editor there were random stray characters/symbols listed as being in the group. In the group editor the system was not saving changes to Do Not Autospawn. I'm assuming part of it is dropped/missing and not properly closing out that part of the internal files. Not sure this is a direct result of or in addition to the overzealous filter.


 

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Both Zealotus and Skogul are invalid names now.

I guess Heroes doesn't like Ragnarok like it used to.


 

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Fixed....The Grammar Nazi strikes again!
The Grammar Nazi is not alone, that was the first thing I spotted in that post.

Well, ok, the second - the first was the fact that a dev popped in with a timely response - thanks for that, Z!


 

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Ok. New problems as of a recent issue, I guess?

351727 "Hammer and Sickle of Paragon City" opens up fine, but the comment submission screen reads "Invalidstringreplacement" where the title should be. Odd. Also, two enemies in the arc who use "5th Column" for their Enemy Group are coming up with the "Profanity/Copyright Protected" line. It's also flagging "Aragon" in "Paragon City." I suppose THIS all explains why I got a 3-star on this arc the other day.

302196 "PENGUIN Part 2: Waddle's Revenge" seems broken. Custom villain Toxin has "Profanity/Copyright Protected" on his Enemy Group, which is "5th Column."

29205 "PENGUIN" works fine. No errors.

18775 "City of Ho Ho Ho, or A Claus in Paragon" gets the same result as "Hammer and Sickle of Paragon City" in terms of "Aragon" and "Invalidstringreplacement."

101933 "This Costume Contest Sponsored by Tubbius" is broken. Custom hero "The Paragon Bomb" is the problem with that "Aragon" in his name.

334049 "Fox Hunt" is bugged. Custom NPC "Zealot" is flagged for his name. "The Paragon Bomb" makes a return appearance with the "Aragon."

402239 "PENGUIN Part 3: Waddle to the Big Top" appears to work fine. No bugs.


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... or specify an author..
Hold on a strawberry flavoured minute. The name 'Thor' is public domain. It's the name of a mythological character and cannot be copyrighted.
Just because Marvel has a character based on said mythological character does not mean that Marvel own full rights to it. IIRC Marvel only have a copyright on their versions appearance and concepts they've added.
Any names, locations and concepts from mythology are fair game for anyone to use. This should be reflected in the filter.



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Hold on a strawberry flavoured minute. The name 'Thor' is public domain. It's the name of a mythological character and cannot be copyrighted.
Just because Marvel has a character based on said mythological character does not mean that Marvel own full rights to it. IIRC Marvel only have a copyright on their versions appearance and concepts they've added.
Any names, locations and concepts from mythology are fair game for anyone to use. This should be reflected in the filter.
It's been pointed out before that litigation has a wonderful way of making one over-react to the merest hint of copyright violation. This is not a matter of devs being stupid, it's a matter of CYA in legal matters; even if it's fairly cut and dried, just getting it dragged into court can be enough to bankrupt you.


 

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It's been pointed out before that litigation has a wonderful way of making one over-react to the merest hint of copyright violation. This is not a matter of devs being stupid, it's a matter of CYA in legal matters; even if it's fairly cut and dried, just getting it dragged into court can be enough to bankrupt you.
This is why I despise current copyright legislation and the litigious copyright holders who use/abuse it.



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This is why I despise current copyright legislation and the litigious copyright holders who use/abuse it.
You may well despise copyright legislation, but the issue with Thor is a trademark law issue, not copyright. One of the notable features of trademark law is that a company can in theory lose rights to a trademark if the do not demonstrate they have taken action to protect it. Therefore, there's a lot of pre-emptive "taking action" or at least threatening same, which can certainly be overzealous.

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Hold on a strawberry flavoured minute. The name 'Thor' is public domain. It's the name of a mythological character and cannot be copyrighted.
Just because Marvel has a character based on said mythological character does not mean that Marvel own full rights to it. IIRC Marvel only have a copyright on their versions appearance and concepts they've added.
As I understand it, the trademark is for Thor as a superhero. That's why the manufacturers of the Thor missile and the Thor motor coach are not being targeted by Marvel. Yes, it certainly seems unfair that Marvel can use the threat of litigation to deter most or even any use of Thor in a comic-book and super-hero context, even ones different from their concept, but they can try and they have some legal basis for it. If Marvel starts manufacturing motor coaches, they may well hear from the motor coach company's lawyers. If they start manufacturing intercontinental ballistic nuclear missiles, they will certainly hear from...other agencies.


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"Your Worst Nightmare"

Go ahead and tell me where the profanity or copyright infringement is without having to resort to some snarky troll comment. Go ahead - I DARE YOU!

Oh, and I've already submitted a bug report on this.


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I only had one arc break because of the word "Freakshow" in my "Freakshow Student" faction in one mission (to rescue Ms Francine). I see they are bringing the MA server down for maintenance... hopefully our fix.


 

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Here's hoping the MA server going down fixes all this stuff.

Just checked. . . about an hour ago (12:30 PM EST), give or take, I got a message saying the MA server was down. Now, (1:39 PM EST) things appear to be back up, with no changes. The same errors are still present in my arcs, but I did get a 5-star on Hammer and Sickle of Paragon City, at least.


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Just checked. . . about an hour ago (12:30 PM EST), give or take, I got a message saying the MA server was down. Now, (1:39 PM EST) things appear to be back up, with no changes.
That's a disappointment. I guess I'll just rename the faction "Student" and let it go.


 

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Yeah, Zam reported that arcs are still being mislabeled as violations as well. *crossing fingers for a Tuesday patch at the latest*


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It just invalidated any names with Rularuu in it; the word Zanth (geez, I couldn't find that in my google search); and when I try to change a critter name (Rularru Assault Unit) to anything, even ABC123, it flagged it as invalid, so I just bugged it. Sigh, besides not improving AE, now its even more restrictive and takes forever to load...turning into a nightmare..


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hey guys, if your arcs are published, go ahead and do a bug report for them and be sure to give the arc number.


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I got a little OCD and tried to fix my arcs that have been invalidated tonight. Logically I really should wait until someone in Paragon Studios (whups!! pardon my profanity, I know Paragon is a bad word here) fixes it, but I just couldn't stand to leave the arcs sitting broken for that long.

Here's my experiences:


Two Tickets to Westerly (#374002): still valid, thankfully.

Teen Phalanx Forever! (#67335): "Dr. Vahzilok" was a bad word (even when using the standard Dr. Vahzilok model that is named Dr. Vahzilok). Changing to "Doctor Vahzilok" completely fixed it. Strangely, Clockwork King and Clamor were fine to use, and even the teen heroes were fine.

Talos Vice (#338380): "Paragon Police" is disallowed as an enemy group name due to Paragon being a bad word. I had to move all my cops into another "Talos Vice" faction. Additionally, a Freak Stunner was invalid for some reason, so I had to delete him from my "Perps" faction. That fixed the arc.

Papers and Paychecks (#298290): "Manticore Task Force" is disallowed as an enemy group due to Manticore being a bad word. Part of the schtick is that you're working for Crey while heroes on the Manticore Task Force are trying to mess with you, so I don't want to change this enemy group's name. Left the arc invalid for now.

Fusionette Incarnate (#497003): published after the bad patch, still valid.

A Warrior's Journey - The Flower Knight Task Force (#260284): "Spider Clan" is disallowed as an enemy group due to being a bad word. Is the word Spider entirely disallowed? Anyway, I really don't want to change this name, so left the arc invalid for now.

Celebrity Kidnapping (#1388): "Paragon Police" and "Paragon Heroes" were disallowed as enemy group names due to containing the bad word "Paragon". I changed the custom Police Woman to belong to "PPD" and the custom Unbelievable Man to belong to "Heroes". Changed the name of an objective from "Longbow Patrol" to "LB Patrol" and another one from "Longbow Ambush" to "LB Ambush" (this is never displayed to the end user, but still tripped the profanity filter). This was enough to fix the arc.

Axis and Allies (#1379): "5th Column" is forbidden as an enemy group name. Sigh. Changed to "Fifth Column", which it accepted. "Statesman" is forbidden as a boss name. Tried repeatedly to rename this boss but it refused to take. Left the arc invalid for now.

Attack of the 50 Foot Villain (#363366): still valid.


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I started down that spider hole (wash my mouth out with soap, I can't stop cursing!) and ended up just fixing the ones that were simple/reversible post fix.

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I really don't want to change this name, so left the arc invalid for now.
Exactly how I felt with "The Golden Age Secret of the BLEEP Society".


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