Anyone else notice that the... Slender Men Aliens? Were actually listed in the credits as 'The Slient'? 
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Originally Posted by The Hound
Anyone else notice that the... Slender Men Aliens? Were actually listed in the credits as 'The Slient'?
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Yep, if you read any of the articles about the new Doctor Who series, they mentioned that the 'biggest/baddest/newest' villain group going to be the 'main' villain throughout the series would show itself in last night's episode and that they were called The Silent.
I don't remember too many episodes previously that mentioned/teased about 'silence' but....hmm, actually thinking about it I can only think of one off the top of my head.
The one I think where they just finished saving the planet where they enslaved the Ood and as the Doctor was getting back into his TARDIS he mentions "hey do you hear that too?" Rory (or Amy) says, "what? there's no sound at all." To which the Doctor says, "yes..." and then he leaves...
Edit: Oh and as my best friend and I say, "we don't care about River....not 'hot' at all."
I mean they don't all have to be like Amy Pond but....never cared for her.
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One of the interviews with Moffat somewhere said that this season was going to look at the impact of messing with the timeline, so I'm going to guess that this will head off whatever series of events that led to the Doctor's death. Also, this episode was aired with "limited commercial interuptions", so there will be bits missing the next time it's on BBC.
I do like the new FBI guy. "This man walked into the oval office with a big blue box. That's the man he walked past. Which one do you want to listen to?"
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One thing I have to wonder about Rory, does he have any memories of those 2 thousand years as a Nestine? Just saying, it may have added a side of him we haven't seen yet.
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Originally Posted by brophog02
Rory is only slightly less boring, and Moffat is still playing timeline tricks.
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Originally Posted by Midnight_Flux
One of the interviews with Moffat somewhere said that this season was going to look at the impact of messing with the timeline, so I'm going to guess that this will head off whatever series of events that led to the Doctor's death. Also, this episode was aired with "limited commercial interuptions", so there will be bits missing the next time it's on BBC.
I do like the new FBI guy. "This man walked into the oval office with a big blue box. That's the man he walked past. Which one do you want to listen to?" |
-the child of Amy and Rory = River
-River was the person in the space suite, and that event is what she was talking about when she says she killed a very good man( although I don't think the older doctor is dead dead), it was actually staged
-that the season finale will reference back to this episode
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Yep, if you read any of the articles about the new Doctor Who series, they mentioned that the 'biggest/baddest/newest' villain group going to be the 'main' villain throughout the series would show itself in last night's episode and that they were called The Silent.
I don't remember too many episodes previously that mentioned/teased about 'silence' but....hmm, actually thinking about it I can only think of one off the top of my head. |
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Well, the Pandorica's been opened. Now silence is falling?
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And didn't they also increase the number of regens he gets( hoping it's due to something that happens or happened to him, rather than always being the case, since if it was always the case, it would require a significant retconing of the Masters motivations)
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Originally Posted by Dante
This is true however, that would suggest there will never be any further regenerations. Also, despite holding the reigns to the franchise, I doubt the BBC would agree that Moff could permanently kill him off with no way out.
So like Kiken, I'm less moved by what they did and more caught in the Grand Moff's trap of 'how are they going to get out of this one?' (I will add, willingly and quite happy to be so.  ) |
Overall I enjoyed the episode, my only big gripe is the guy they cast as Tricky Dicky really didn't look like him too much, unlike the fellow they cast as Winston Churchill. Whatever fake American accents weren't too bad( unlike the Daleks in Manhatten), glad they haven't tried fake Southern Accents yet( they guy who plays Bill in trueblood, has a really bad one).
Well, Churchill was more of a charactature - he didn't get that fat until well after the war.
Oh, and Canton Everett Delaware III was played by Mark Sheppard. British born, but most of his TV credits are on US shows. I would like to see more of this character.
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I liked the episode but I thought it was missing that sense of fun that has really permeated the new series... Even in more serious episodes there has generally been that sense of fun bt I didn't really get it at all from this episode. Which is fine.... so long as it's not gone for the entire season or such.
It looks like this is a play on conspiracy nutters...
The Silent = The Men in Black (yes the movie played off of actual conspiracy theory stuff). They have been controlling the world for centuries apparently implying the NWO/Annunaki(reptillian) thing. Then there is the idea that there needs to be a "revolution" and given how the Doctor is he'd likely not do that unless they posed some danger which seems to imply an end of the world type event...such as say 2012.
There's probably more... such as...
what is it the the alien told Amy? You will tell the doctor what he must know but not what he must not? or something like that
And then with conspiracy theories and it seems they like to last season they always want to play with numbers so....
908
909
1103
something something 1969
something something 2011
Any significance in those numbers i wonder?
Also I think it is kinda bad form that the 11th is younger looking than the 10th when River said the 10th was the youngest looking she had ever seen the doctor.
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Originally Posted by Wooden_Replica
-the child of Amy and Rory = River
-River was the person in the space suite, and that event is what she was talking about when she says she killed a very good man( although I don't think the older doctor is dead dead), it was actually staged -that the season finale will reference back to this episode |
Something eventually happens to Rory and Amy and River is left without parents just like Amy. She is visited by the Doctor (like Amy)and like River's speech to Rory. I think they will think they stopped the Doctor getting killed until the end of Matt Smith's run where it will be revisited and while "the Astronaut" will still shoot him and cause his regeneration they will stop the second shot allowing him to regenerate into the next version of the Doctor and possibly bring on the death or Amy and Rory somehow, which I think will kickstart his real relationship with River, likely a little girl at this point and parentless.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
ItAlso I think it is kinda bad form that the 11th is younger looking than the 10th when River said the 10th was the youngest looking she had ever seen the doctor.
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Just been watching "confidential", and there are a few points confirmed:
The death will be resolved over the whole series. And yes, it really is him and he really is dead.
We will find out who River is this series.
Amy's pregnency is central.
I do have a few more hints, from Radio Times, but they are spoilerish.
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No, her timeline is reversed to ours.|
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
I think in her timeline at that point she hadn't met the 11th Doctor yet? |
In other words, to us she was introduced to the doctor first... however in her time line Amy and Rory were introduced first.
We know her future encounters with the doctor
She knows our future stories with the doctors that involve her younger
She made the statement when she "died" or at least at her last meeting with the doctor in reverse order. So she made the statement at a point in her timeline where all that we are getting to know about her, the doctor, amy, and rory, she already knew... and until we reach the "first meeting" that will continue to be the case... It is possible that after that point he or someone figures a way to revive her from the library data bank and they start meeting chronologically >.>
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Churchy was also Baron Harkonnen...quite a flip in characters...
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Originally Posted by Wooden_Replica
Overall I enjoyed the episode, my only big gripe is the guy they cast as Tricky Dicky really didn't look like him too much, unlike the fellow they cast as Winston Churchill. Whatever fake American accents weren't too bad( unlike the Daleks in Manhatten), glad they haven't tried fake Southern Accents yet( they guy who plays Bill in trueblood, has a really bad one).
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There's a few things to note from this story:
1) The Doctor is expecting the 'Impossible Astronaut' and ensures that they don't interfere with what happens.
2)200 years of his life are unaccounted for. This means that the Doctor that Rory, Amy and River meet has lived 200 years into the present Doctor's future.
3)The TARDIS someone is building is indeed from the Lodger and the being within it does what The Silent do; they absorb the knowledge and essence of a person and also make them not acknowledge their existence. The Doctor noted that this form of TARDIS was using a perception filter.
4)The Doctor's future self has engineered these events to happen and requires the American ex-FBI to be a part of it.
5) Aren't the spacesuits ever so reminiscent of the Vashta Nerada from when Ten meets River inititally?
The pieces of the puzzle are there, and I think they've been laid ever since the Library episode, really. It could be a temporal loop, or an attempt to get around a temporal loop. And we still don't know what happens on the Moon.
I'm looking forward to the second part of this, but I just know Moffat will have the mid-season cliffhanger be a doozy...I suspect it'll end with the Doctor's death....
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My friend has a theory that since we still haven't seen their penultimate meeting, that'll actually be the second-to-last meeting for the both of them. They'll have one "last" time together, where they both completely know each other.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
She made the statement when she "died" or at least at her last meeting with the doctor in reverse order. So she made the statement at a point in her timeline where all that we are getting to know about her, the doctor, amy, and rory, she already knew... and until we reach the "first meeting" that will continue to be the case... It is possible that after that point he or someone figures a way to revive her from the library data bank and they start meeting chronologically >.>
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Hypothesis: This is because Amy has told the Doctor what happens, as she was told to by the Silent. It is, actually, a trap.|
Originally Posted by SuperOz
There's a few things to note from this story:
1) The Doctor is expecting the 'Impossible Astronaut' and ensures that they don't interfere with what happens. |
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| I'm looking forward to the second part of this, but I just know Moffat will have the mid-season cliffhanger be a doozy...I suspect it'll end with the Doctor's death.... |
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I think River can tell how old the Doctor looks chronologically. So he could regenerate into a 10 year old a few hundred years down the line and he would still look older to her. And when she uttered that line he really was the youngest she had ever seen him.
Also it's been years since I actually bothered to look into time lord lore (not since Baker) but I don't believe the extra regenerations will be a problem. If I am remembering correctly there was a time when Time Lords didn't have a limit to the number of regenerations they could undergo. But a limit was placed on them by the council because of increasing instability as regenerations progressed. The council even offered the Master more regenerations if he would just stop being a bad guy. With no more council and no more time lords there might be no more limit.
And one more possibility. This universe isn't the universe of season 5 and earlier. In The Big Bang first the Doctor recreated the universe and then Amy recreated the doctor. She has also created a few other things thanks to her association with the crack in time. Not knowing that the Doctor had a limited number of regenerations she could have remembered him as limitless.
And yet another possibility. When Rose became Bad Wolf and gained mastery of all of time there is no reason why she couldn't have fixed the Doctors limited regeneration problem.
So what it all comes down to is there are many canon moments to explain just why the number of regenerations isn't set any more.
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Limited regenerations was not a Time Lord rule. There was only one Time Lord previously that had unlimited regenerations, that was Rassilon. During the 5 doctors, The Master had the Doctors break into Rastalon's tomb (sleeping chamber) to try to get the secret of unlimited regenerations from him. If it was just a rule, The Master would not have needed to do that, as he's not one to follow Time Lord rules anyway. Also, the Time Lords did not offer the Master more regenerations, but instead offered him a fresh Time Lord body (probably a cloned one) with a full set of regenerations. The Master's original body has long lost all his regenerations and died off. He's been sustaining himself by jumping into bodies of other races. The last body we saw him possess (before he got the new body) was that of a symbiotic space slug that went into the body of a Paramedic (played by Eric Roberts) during the Paul Mcgann pilot movie.|
Originally Posted by Mandu
Also it's been years since I actually bothered to look into time lord lore (not since Baker) but I don't believe the extra regenerations will be a problem. If I am remembering correctly there was a time when Time Lords didn't have a limit to the number of regenerations they could undergo. But a limit was placed on them by the council because of increasing instability as regenerations progressed. The council even offered the Master more regenerations if he would just stop being a bad guy. With no more council and no more time lords there might be no more limit.
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I'm pretty sure the Time Lords have unlimited regenerations now (as stated by the Doctor on Sarah Jane Chronicles), because they were given that when they woke Rassilon up to lead the Time War against the Daleks. What better way to beat a race of ever perpetuating enemies then to have a force that do not ever die.
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What I find weird is they're making this season out to be one that they answer all questions about River Song when River called Matt Smith's doctor "Baby Face" during the Weeping Angels episode.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
My friend has a theory that since we still haven't seen their penultimate meeting, that'll actually be the second-to-last meeting for the both of them. They'll have one "last" time together, where they both completely know each other.
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At first I wondered if it was the Doctor himself in the spacesuit, as if he'd bargained off a couple hundred years of being him to some other being and was closing the deal. Now I'm beginning to wonder if the young girl in the spacesuit is actually a young River and it was River who killed the Doctor.
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Actually, I believe it was the President of Gallifrey who organized that whole ordeal. And as I recall, it was Rassilon himself who set the limit on regenerations.
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Originally Posted by Innovator
During the 5 doctors, The Master had the Doctors break into Rastalon's tomb (sleeping chamber) to try to get the scroll/et al secret of unlimited regenerations from him.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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That's right, Borusa was the one seeking eternal regenerations, and the Master joined seeking the same for himself. Rassilon probably did set the limit or regenerations, but by the actions of Borusa and the Master, it seemed to be less "a rule" and more a physical limitation set.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
At first I wondered if it was the Doctor himself in the spacesuit, as if he'd bargained off a couple hundred years of being him to some other being and was closing the deal. Now I'm beginning to wonder if the young girl in the spacesuit is actually a young River and it was River who killed the Doctor.
Actually, I believe it was the President of Gallifrey who organized that whole ordeal. And as I recall, it was Rassilon himself who set the limit on regenerations. |
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Indeed, it was a physical limitation set in place. Rassilon had the power to make such defining rules. Still, there are any number of ways to explain getting around such a limitation. Especially for someone clever enough to have thwarted both Rassilon and Omega in his lifetime.
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Originally Posted by Innovator
That's right, Borusa was the one seeking eternal regenerations, and the Master joined seeking the same for himself. Rassilon probably did set the limit or regenerations, but by the actions of Borusa and the Master, it seemed to be less "a rule" and more a physical limitation set.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Given how the Moff's mind works, he will expect people to think that, and so the twist will be, there isn't a way out of it, he is really dead this time.
So like Kiken, I'm less moved by what they did and more caught in the Grand Moff's trap of 'how are they going to get out of this one?' (I will add, willingly and quite happy to be so.
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