Anybody notice any effects from I20 money sinks?

Thread title says it all.

The new Incarnate level stuff is a fairly serious money sink. Has anybody noticed any effects on the market yet?

rare salvage prices seem to be sinking, but that could jsut be a side effect of everyone playing their lvl 50s, most of the other prices i havent seen anything really change much

i think thats because a large majority of poeple are not using the expensive method to create rare and very rare boosts since you can save 8 or 30 empyrean merits (4 days/15 days respectivly only successfully running each trial once a day)

there is also the random reward table which can give you a rare or very rare too, so there are a lot of alternatives aside from the horribly expensive one

I haven't touched the market since I20 release, whereas I usually play it for ~800m a day. I suspect I'm not alone in that boat, and would be wary of drawing conclusions from market trends so close after an issue release that gives us new shiny powers and requires a fair amount of playing team-based, low drops content to get all of it.

I've noticed a slight rise in the price of the popular mid-range Rare recipes (that is to say sets like Positon's Blast which an IO build will often slot multiple of) but I excpet that's mostly due to fewer TFs running (meaning fewer recipes being generated from merits) and a slight demand bump from the new issue.

The entire market feels like it has slowed significantly in activity. Prices have appeared stalled or falling. Only idea is most are focusing on incarnate trials.

I am sure the market will resume it's normal level of stupid once people catch up on Incarning up their alts.

In the niches I work, prices have dropped dramatically.
Supplies have increased too. I think that's the why for my niches. IDK about anything else.

I suspect that the money sinks will not be used often enough to have an immediate effect, but will, over time, affect prices.

Whether that effect is to reduce inflation, balance it out, or even reverse it, I cannot know. But the more money sinks that are added (that people want to use), the more inflation will be combatted.

In my experience in WoW, where money sinks are plentiful, and frequently used, inflation still occurs. So long as every character is granted a free money printing press on character creation (ie, the ability to defeat foes and create money from nowhere), new money will be created, and inflation will occur.

I have definitely been attributing the price drops I've noticed to big increases in supply. It's amazing. I'm not totally shocked that everyone and their dog is playing at 50, but I'm pretty shocked at how many crafted IOs have ended up on the market as a result. A lot of people I know don't craft stuff, if they sell it at all.

I've noticed that level 50 Generic IO's have pretty much stalled/crashed since i20.

I'm guessing that it's because people are playing their favourite alts through the Incarnate Trials and those favoured alts are already going to be set up with sets or Generics so there are far fewer people buying, and supply is still there at a residual old rate, so supply is currently massively outstripping demand.

Or maybe the devs hate marketeers <grin>. I don't know, but I do know that I'm just going to wait it out. I expect things to settle down within a month or so, and I can be patient.

One of my niches has dropped 90% in price. The crafted IO normally sells for 20 million but has been dropping all week to the point of going for 2 million this evening. So I did what any respectable marketeer would do: put a couple of stacks of bids in at 2 million .

A lot of my niches have dropped by,like, a factor of 4. I don't keep a whole lot of stock usually, so I've been buying for 1/4 the price and selling for 1/4 the price and making 1/4 the money... It still adds up quite nicely.

EDIT: But I've found a few things where the recipe dropped and it took a week or two for the crafted to drop. buy for 20 million, sell for 55 million: I'll take it!

So....

Is it more supply?

Is it people playing fewer alts, thus stopping demand?

Or is it factual deflation?


I would not expect deflation THIS fast, so I'm thinking it's people sticking to a single toon to grind their way through the iSlots.

One of my niches has gone down. Not collapsed, but gone down to where most seem to be selling at my normal buy price. I'm sitting on ten billion in inventory, hoping it recovers. *chuckle*

Same basic theories as others. I assume most people have picked a couple builds that are already IO'd out to run through the incarnate content. They're getting drops but not consuming anything. I doubt there's a whole lot of new 50s right now, suppressing demand. I doubt there's been any major reduction in the supply of influence. Prices will come back up. It just might take a while.

I've also done almost no marketeering since I20.

I agree with many of the previous posters -- I think that recent price reductions are due mostly to people playing on trials and dumping their drops on the market.

Two noticeable effects. No, three.

1) as others have noted, salvage prices seem to have slumped a bit. Time to stock up.

2) anecdotal, but a LOT of my friends who can't get rare and/or very rare incarnate components because they won't drop and they aren't tradeable have started farming. I sadly suspect the net effect will be to *increase* the money supply.

3) the insane crafting prices for rare and very rare incarnate components have irritated me. I've soothed my annoyance by ratcheting up my prices a bit.

This has been dealt with in far more detail and specificity and much sound and fury probably signifying nothing in this thread:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=258774

Short form - character advancement should not be random. Now you done it, I'm annoyed again, prices must be raised! Someone will PAY. The effects on the market just seem to be growing... (grin)

I really have no place posting in this thread; if market ebil-ness is a criteria. That said, here's a data point for you:

There seems to be a ... lot ... of salvage sitting in the market going nowhere. I've pretty much given up selling any salvage except rares, uncommons and commons on the few toons with them for sale have sat forever.