Yellow Dawn II: The Revenge of Bad Mission Design

Originally Posted by Santorican

There is no such thing as learn to play, everything has to be easy. I want instant gratification out of this game. I'm paying money so the devs have to give ME what I want.

Originally Posted by Maribelle

Yes, well I think have at least.

I've learned that most of what I've learned over the past few years (what are we at now, almost seven?) that is CoH specific is mostly not applicable, my character's powersets are for the most part irrelevant after the extra buffs the enemy has received in addition to the level modifiers, the build and set bonuses I have spent time and effort planning, buying, respeccing, and slotting barley make a significant difference in my characters' ability to survive and contribute.

Essentially, I am playing a different game and all my past efforts are null. All that matters is practice for two specific encounters, and building up rewards from those two specific encounters so that I can be as effective as the character was with just SOs in normal content.

Yes, Hami has a lot of rules changed involved in order to make it difficult for a large group of people. Hami was also designed so that each AT could take advantage of what makes them special.
Tanks aren't penalized for holding aggro well and a little support from certain buffers types working together goes a long way of making their job easier.
Controllers and Dominators are given a task that they are well suited for, that they are needed for, and not now told the opposite, that their controls are useless against important targets that they would otherwise excel at containing.
Every buff or debuff set can contribute meaningfully against Hami, with the buffs the enemys now have a lot of buffing sets are fairly useless and with the level difference our debuffers won't be nearly as beneficial as they need to be without the level bonuses.

Maybe Recluses's Strike force was harder when it was launched, and it certainly had the same issues with level difference. It did not have stacking ambushes that were crazy powerful until you've done the SF multiple times. It did not have a timer; your team could stand back, regroup, and say "What did we do wrong? What can we try now? How do we make this team work?"
With the stacking ambushes and the timer before you fail you do not have time to stand back and think, you need everyone to already know how to adapt.

The locking hospital doors seem to only make the issue worse when things are going poorly as a good portion of your people are trying to get back out to help the rest of the team that are getting killed outside. People are not going to regroup so easily. We see this whenever things go poorly at a Hami Raid or a ship raid, even when someone is yelling for people to regroup they are going to see people still engaging the enemy and rejoin.

Originally Posted by Gemini_2099

The 1-50 game and the Incarnate content seems to be too different. Welcome to what end game raiding looks like compared to leveling content.

Originally Posted by TrueMetal

Failed my first Lamba today on a PuG. Having experienced it and, now I actually now what to do next time, I'm fairly certain PuGs will routinely ace it within the next 2 weeks. It really isn't all that hard. Especially once people start gathering up extra incarnate powers and level shifts.

Originally Posted by Maribelle

Why should it be different?
Why should it be so much different now after the game has been the way it has been for so long?

I don't think it shouldn't be somewhat harder, I think it shouldn't feel like I'm playing a different game entirely.

Originally Posted by Gemini_2099

If you want to preach L2P and kill dragons then go this way.---------------->

Originally Posted by Maribelle

We've been playing the game seven ******* years.
It's not demanding instant gratification to expect that to mean something

Originally Posted by Maribelle

I don't think it shouldn't be somewhat harder, I think it shouldn't feel like I'm playing a different game entirely.

Originally Posted by Gemini_2099

I am inclined to agree, but this is the direction the game is heading.

Originally Posted by Santorican

That rhymes and you didn't even meant it, would you like a peanut?

Originally Posted by Furio

No, it's the direction the *end game* is heading. The rest of the game will continue on as it always has. The end game subset of devs under Positron will continue to work on the end game, pushing and changing things in order to provide new challenges for those that wish such things, and the rest of the dev team under War Witch will continue to work on the rest of the game for the benefit of all from 1-50, and those that don't want anything more than what we have already, albeit with new stories.

Originally Posted by Gemini_2099

You were the one that claimed half the dev team was working on the incarnate content while the other half was working on the rest of the game. Based on what we know now, the entire dev team was working on incarnate content.

The "rest of the game" has been put on hold for Issue 20, probably Issue 21, and who knows how many more issues.

Basically you were wrong, and are not willing to admit it as well.

Originally Posted by MentalMaden

I agree that once the population gets used to the encounters there will be a lot more success and a lot less doom. This is far from a "lern2play" post, but I am saying "learn to communicate".

Originally Posted by enderbean

I ran Lambda with an 8-man PuG and we got Marauder down to 20% life before we ran out of time. It is possible to do both.

Originally Posted by Ruff_Tuff_n_Buff

Failure: It's the new success!

Note: You have a strange definition of success.

Originally Posted by Ruff_Tuff_n_Buff

Failure: It's the new success!

Note: You have a strange definition of success.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Once the population "gets used to" the encounters, there will be level-shifted, Interface/Judgement/etc. powered characters who can trivialize it and don't care if they're dragging others along that can't really contribute much on their own.

Originally Posted by MentalMaden

I'm missing where the problem is.

Originally Posted by MentalMaden

And thus more people will be getting their incarnate powers and the encounters will become easier and easier. I'm missing where the problem is. People are complaining that it's too hard, then they complain when people say 'be patient it will all get easier'.

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

^ This

Not ONE other encounter in game punishes with me with auto-hit, large AoE artillery strikes when I have to go resummon pets due to the ludicrous AoE levels.

Originally Posted by MentalMaden

And thus more people will be getting their incarnate powers and the encounters will become easier and easier. I'm missing where the problem is. People are complaining that it's too hard, then they complain when people say 'be patient it will all get easier'.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Perhaps because people would prefer "Learning and being able to handle it on their own" instead of "Being dragged along and being useless while the level shifted do all the work without breaking a sweat?"

Nah, that couldn't possibly be it.

Originally Posted by MentalMaden

Which goes back to my original post about communication. If people don't want to be dragged around worthless, then listen when given strategy in the trial here in the early days pre-Level shifts and uber powers.