I20- I'll be watching from the sidelines
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Posted on: 2011-04-04 14:56 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
That stinks 
I sent you a PM though....
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Isn't the "IT department" redistributable compatible with any XP installation? I don't think it verifies Genuine Microsoft when you run it, but, um... I've never run it.
Sorry to play the devil's advocate here, but um, what were you doing with an illegal copy of Windows XP for six years anyway? I am not exactly what you'd call a Microsoft supporter, but if you used software illegally, what did you expect?
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He may not have known until he recently ran the genuine windows checker.
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Originally Posted by slainsteel
Sorry to play the devil's advocate here, but um, what were you doing with an illegal copy of Windows XP for six years anyway? I am not exactly what you'd call a Microsoft supporter, but if you used software illegally, what did you expect?
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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What Arctic said from the looks of it.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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I just verified that this will not run on XP SP1 for the same reason.
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correction: NCSoft wins 5 Fail Points.|
Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
I just verified that this will not run on XP SP1 for the same reason.
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And everybody wonders why I get torqued off at major companies (like NCSoft) using Crapware like Microsoft .NET. All it does is hurt customers.
I was also enable to install this redistributable on a machine installed with a known bad XP license key and load the I20 client on it. The computer was totally disconnected from the internet during the installation process, so a Genuine Windows check was never made.
I think I did see it flash by with a "checking license key" or something, though, so maybe my bad key isn't bad enough? I can't guarantee this will work, but at least it's worth a shot. Not like you have anything to lose, right?
Paragon Studios still keeps their Fail Point.
... and why are we complaining to NCSoft for players not having the OS up to date - including many, many security patches? And on an OS that's not sold/really supported by MS any longer anyway?
I'm surprised there's any support for XP at all, to be honest. Of course, it *is* considered by some to be the last WinOS that's non-crap. (FWIW, I'm a MacOS player, so I have a whole different set of problems.)
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... and why are we complaining to NCSoft for players not having the OS up to date - including many, many security patches? And on an OS that's not sold/really supported by MS any longer anyway?
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However, as demonstrated, there may be several valid reasons that players may not be able to provide a system that is up-to-date with any one vendor's packages. In addition, Microsoft still sells and supports Windows Xp due to the existing user-base, granted all of the official license sales at this point are for systems in emerging markets or low-end entry netbooks where current Microsoft software is just too bulky in terms of performance and storage to be used.
There are also other considerations to be made here, considerations I've pointed out a couple times already. NCSoft, by using a crapware API effectively places themselves, and their own customers, at the mercy of a single software vendor.
In this case here the user has been punished with having access to the game cut off by a non-available software update, access that would not have been cut off if NCSoft had used any other development-framework or API to make their new launcher (e.g. Java, QT, Ruby on Rails).
That sword can also cut the other way. Since .NET is a closed source API / development-framework, NCSoft is reliant upon Microsoft to patch up any existing holes or security issues. NCSoft is also reliant upon Microsoft to back-port those changes across pre-existing installations. From a security standpoint, that's a bleeding nightmare. Again, if NCSoft had used pretty much any other development-framework / API available that does what .NET can do, NCSoft could roll out security updates in their own packages by pulling from upstream source as that upstream source is patched.
As a software publisher, NCSoft should be well acquainted with the idea that any software security has to be managed internally, rather than depending on the user or another vendor to provide that security.
So, regardless of the underlying problem experienced by the original poster, NCSoft still fails for an exceedingly poor choice in tools used to build their launcher.
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Or for some less-than-honest retailer selling the player a computer with a fake Windows XP key, for the matter.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... and why are we complaining to NCSoft for players not having the OS up to date - including many, many security patches? And on an OS that's not sold/really supported by MS any longer anyway?
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Linux might be the way to go if you are willing to deal with it. Might be awhile before Cedega has support for I20 if doesn't have support already. Just need to make a dual boot system. The Technical Bugs section could give more info on how to do it.
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Haven't fiddled with that for a while - and not with the new launcher at all, come to think of it. Still have to mess with my Mint 10 partition to find out what's keeping COH from actually launching. ("Loading" is all well and good. It's better if it actually gets to the login screen!)
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
Linux might be the way to go if you are willing to deal with it. Might be awhile before Cedega has support for I20 if doesn't have support already. Just need to make a dual boot system. The Technical Bugs section could give more info on how to do it.
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If it's any concession, I'm kind of in the same boat right now. While I do have a good gaming rig, I wont have access to it until June, and while I can run CoH on my plucky little netbook, I've got the feeling that all the new raids are out of the question.
Oh well, looks like Pokemon will be my game of choice for the next two months...
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Originally Posted by je_saist
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In this case here the user has been punished with having access to the game cut off by a non-available software update, access that would not have been cut off if NCSoft had used any other development-framework or API to make their new launcher (e.g. Java, QT, Ruby on Rails). (snips) |
I do feel for casual player, its a chunk of cash to come up with quickily.
You can buy Windows XP legity, http://www.google.com/search?&q=buying+windows+xp got me http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Wind.../dp/B00022PTRU
I'd hassle MS as according to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...ne/system-scan you still should be able to upgrade from dodgy copy to legit via the WGA if not the website shop.
Anyhow best of luck with it.
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Because the prices software companies charge for stuff these days is criminal in and of itself?
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so wait, i20 is bringing a restriction on what version of XP?
i had this same worry when another high profile game by that winter weather company that explicitly said XP SP3, and my machine with XP SP2 could run it just fine.
btw, i literally can't update to SP3. i have a legit copy and have tried in vain multiple times to get it to patch to SP3. i'd reformat, but with 7 years worth of games and programs i'd rather not reinstall or potentially lose that data.
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Then you're screwed. GetLogicalProcessorInformation() absolutely must have SP3 or newer.
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Originally Posted by Soul_Stormer
btw, i literally can't update to SP3.
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
Then you're screwed. GetLogicalProcessorInformation() absolutely must have SP3 or newer.
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If they do that, then in theory, City of Heroes should still be able to launch against any existing installation that will run City of Heroes right now, since the game executable itself is not (as far as I am aware) undergoing any changes.
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GetLogicalProcessorInformation() is built into the kernel itself; not a .NET extension. It's very much a part of the Windows operating system, but not anything older than XP SP3.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
He may not be screwed. Enough people raise enough hell, and NCSoft might actually get the clue to use something other than .NET.
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YAY!
Thank you SO much to the many kind folks who pm'd me! One of your solutions did the trick!
I have spent the last ack-many hours downloading SP3 and patches galore but finally got onto the beta server!
But Slainsteel has a perfectly legitimate question, which I've been kicking myself over for the last couple of weeks. I only discovered the nature of my OS when I tried getting onto the Beta shard a few weeks ago and suddenly couldn't. I hate running updates and continually downloading new versions (I'm looking at you here too, iTunes) and had fallen out of the habit of updating Windows. Turns out that sometime since I stopped updating, Microsoft wised up and created a system to check what you're running.
My only answer is: in the future, do not let relatives buy you technical gear at computer shows that you haven't inspected and approved yourself.
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Also: Six years of casual play begins to look an awful lot like one year of hardcore play.
Casual Player, all other issues aside, SP2 users should not have anything to worry about whatsoever. I could understand if there was a problem with SP1, but SP2 should not have a problem running City of Heroes. Also, the devs have not announced any restrictions, and they're fully aware that many players use older systems. However, I can see the soon-outdated launcher having problems with new updates (because we have already been warned of this in advance). So I suspect the problems in that other thread were related to players sticking to the soon-outdated launcher. Use the new launcher and you should be fine with SP2. The differences between SP2 and SP3 shouldn't be related to problems running MOST games, let alone an older game like City of Heroes.
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I have a different problem. With no pre issue patch due to the new updater it is going to take me a very long time to get the issue patch since I'm limited to 5 hours of connect time a day on dial-up. That's about 80MB a day. I assume the new updater allows interrupted downloads (it better or I'm SOL).
At least before I could get the bulk of the patch over a couple of weeks and only have to deal with a 30-40MB patch on release day.
C'est la vie.
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I'm hoping that something in this logic chain fails, but it looks like my old computer can't hack running the game any more.
It seems that Issue 20 requires at a minimum that you be running Windows XP service pack 3. According to this thread here, anyhow.
It turns out that the computer my wife bought me 6 and a half years ago did not have an authorized version of Windows XP.
Microsoft will not update an unauthorized version of XP to service pack 3, no longer sells licenses for Windows XP, and Windows 7 will not run on my now-4-generations-old machine.
Therefore, No SP3 = No Issue 20 on my machine.
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A player with a spare legal Windows XP key gave it to me, and my issue is fixed! YAY!
More importantly, a hot fix is coming down today or tomorrow that is supposed to make the game work for people using only SP2.
My apologies for not testing and raising this issue more in Beta, but I was swamped this go-round and didn't have the time to follow through. (I have been in the past one of the trailing-edge testers who squawk when some new shiny doesn't work on old systems)
If you're having the same problem, hang tough! Help is coming!
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Also: Six years of casual play begins to look an awful lot like one year of hardcore play.