Yep, the same as when Sister Psyche was the WST. Apparently I20 will make it so that you do get shards when exemplared down but for now it's 50 or nothing.
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Originally Posted by Postagulous
I mean, it can't. I've gotta run the WST go get the Whatever of the Well and I'm not going to be getting shards?
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Come I20 (sometime next week), Shards will drop for any level 50 character with Alpha Slot unlocked defeating any foe their combat level or higher, even when exemplared down.
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considering you still get double merits and a notice of the well.... Its beyond worth it.
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It really isn't.
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Originally Posted by Longboard
considering you still get double merits and a notice of the well.... Its beyond worth it.
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Low level characters will still get bonus XP and merits.
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Actually it is, I've gained 3 to 4 levels PER WST run on my alts, due to the bonus XP at the end, and having rested XP from working on my level 50s. While you don't get shards, you still get a notice, which you can convert down into shards (say you only want the t3, and you've ran 6 WST, well, you convert the other 5 notices down to shards)
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Originally Posted by rsclark
It really isn't.
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I much prefer the lower level WSTs, if only because the bonus XP is delicious.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
It really isn't.
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But, I am interested to know why you would feel it isn't worth your time since it only takes an hour and you only have to do it once during the week (unless you have a lot of characters who you need to run through it).
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Indeed, I rarely bring a 50 into the lower level targets, I use the bonus xp to level lowbies up.
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I'm clearly doing something wrong, then. I've run Manti on 2 non-50s with max rested xp. Both of them got about a half-level of xp over the course of the missions, and a half-level bonus at the end. To be fair, they were both "bigger" than the tf (one level 42 to start, the other 46), but even when I was running ITFs with my non-50s I never got more than 2 levels out of a single WST, and that was on a "shard run" where the 50s wanted to kill everything in front of them and had it set to +1 because so many of them were level shifted.|
Originally Posted by Arbegla
Actually it is, I've gained 3 to 4 levels PER WST run on my alts, due to the bonus XP at the end, and having rested XP from working on my level 50s.
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It's good xp for non-50s, but 3-4 levels per WST is perhaps overstating things a bit. At the very least, it doesn't mesh well with my experience.
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Originally Posted by Longboard
considering you still get double merits and a notice of the well.... Its beyond worth it.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
It really isn't.
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That's your problem right there. The higher up in levels you go, the less you get out of a single TF. Try using a lvl 30 toon on a team of 35s, and you might notice a difference.
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Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
To be fair, they were both "bigger" than the tf (one level 42 to start, the other 46),
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It's worth it to me because those five bars of WST XP at the end of a WST are delicious, especially if you're on a high-level toon.
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Am I the only one to think this is not right? 50 +, none of this exemplaring stuff... just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Not right now. Shards only drop for defeating level 50+ foes.
Come I20 (sometime next week), Shards will drop for any level 50 character with Alpha Slot unlocked defeating any foe their combat level or higher, even when exemplared down. |
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No, not the only one, there's others. But there's an equally significant portion who enjoy the lower level tfs. And XP. Heck, my friend enjoys the weekly targets because they give him a reason to run tfs he never had any interest in before. (he's not all that interested in badges or accolades, or even the merits, but give him the notice of the wells and/or bonus xp to level his characters, and he'll run anything.)
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Originally Posted by Tax_E
Am I the only one to think this is not right? 50 +, none of this exemplaring stuff... just my opinion.
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So, why not let purples drop from any foe via the same argument?
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Originally Posted by The Grim Heaper
No, not the only one, there's others. But there's an equally significant portion who enjoy the lower level tfs. And XP. Heck, my friend enjoys the weekly targets because they give him a reason to run tfs he never had any interest in before. (he's not all that interested in badges or accolades, or even the merits, but give him the notice of the wells and/or bonus xp to level his characters, and he'll run anything.)
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because purples work at all levels, and already drop at non level 50 mobs (47 minions, 46 LTs, 45 bosses, 44 EB/AV ALL drop purples)|
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
So, why not let purples drop from any foe via the same argument?
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Shards are a salvage piece used to craft a component that only works down to level 45. (purples work at all levels) So, you've already gotten your wish, as level 50 salvage drops at level 35+ mobs and that salvage is used to craft purples.
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Because you can buy purples. You can't buy shards
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
So, why not let purples drop from any foe via the same argument?
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Yes you can. With Vanguard Merits. The Grai Matter can be broken down into shards. Also I understand in i20 there will be a horrendously innefficient method of buying them added as well.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Because you can buy purples. You can't buy shards
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Because they're lvl 50 enhancements.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
So, why not let purples drop from any foe via the same argument?
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If you really want to spend that many Vanguard Merits to get 1 Shard (what a common component breaks down to, not shard(s)), more power to you. That's still not buying shards, because you can't get them from anyone else. That's just a really inefficient way of collecting them. You can buy a purple on the market. Your response doesn't invalidate mine.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Yes you can. With Vanguard Merits. The Grai Matter can be broken down into shards. Also I understand in i20 there will be a horrendously innefficient method of buying them added as well.
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Loose --> not tight.
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There's your problem right there, thats still pretty wimpy difficulty, especially with level shifters present and running it on +0 on lower levels is gonna get you poor xp as well. A half decent team should manage +2 even at lower levels, level shifted I'd feel like I was cheating at anything less than +3.|
Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
but even when I was running ITFs with my non-50s I never got more than 2 levels out of a single WST, and that was on a "shard run" where the 50s wanted to kill everything in front of them and had it set to +1 because so many of them were level shifted.
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Lot's of PUG TF's get run at that diff for shards and speed but for xp it's a boring cakewalk for very little return.
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I mean, it can't. I've gotta run the WST go get the Whatever of the Well and I'm not going to be getting shards?
Really?
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