A quick advice in dealing with uncooperative teammates.
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-03-31 21:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Okay, you made me laugh, haha.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
He's AC and you're DC, so you're currently incompatible.
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Not that I am shocked by this...
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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The way the vines are put together is in 'bundles' they will not regrow until an entire bundle is taken down. The bundles will regrow after a timer (not sure exactly what the delay is).|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Actually the vines do respawn on the STF. A lot of teams take them down fast enough for it not to be an issue but I've seen them regrow on slightly slower teams.
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If you have an especially low damage team that cannot mow the vines down in one pass, you can prune a few (or more) vines in an interspersed pattern, thus leaving the bundles undefeated except for a vine or three.
Then you can go around the remaining vines in one quick pass before and bundles will respawn.
I don't know where the demarcations are between bundles and I'm only assuming the bundles are neigbouring vines as well.
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What Golden Girl said--No wait! Just saw your Virtueverse bio! You're on Virtue! Captain-Electric and Electric-Knight gotta team up!|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Why do we not play together??
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
It's better than sending, "Excuse me, my friends and teammates, but please do consider waiting for all team members to be ready and accompanying you before you venture farther, because the enemies may be a bit too dangerous if we separate". Extreme example used for silliness.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
He's AC and you're DC, so you're currently incompatible.
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Power metal or electro-pop?
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Not if we start a band!
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Guitar heroes are versatile. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Power metal or electro-pop?
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Originally Posted by ViKtoricus
Even if there are occasional disobediences from your members,
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| Me: Don't give me that attitude. |
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| Me: (addressed to Jerk # 1) I'm kicking you out of the team you jackass. |
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| In all fairness, they all thought I was disrespectful and that I should have "respected the underlings before being respected back." |
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| It is here that the value of having quality members is shown to be a much better jewel than a legion of morons. |
Paragon City Search And Rescue
The Mentor Project
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I was on this team, and while I did not say those specific words (95% sure I didn't say underlings), I am the one you are paraphrasing.|
Originally Posted by ViKtoricus
they all thought I was disrespectful and that I should have "respected the underlings before being respected back."
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I knew of you, from your posts on the forums, before I joined. And while your threads are in the average "new person just joining this game exclaiming how much they enjoy it" area, I joined knowing the team may fall apart or fail in some way. Lucky for me, a good friend also randomly joined your PuG, and after a few tries at getting into the mission (the door was randomly guarded by 28's for a level 22 mission just outside Potter's Field in Sharks'), we got in.
You said "wait" and I was overjoyed.
I thought perhaps you noticed you had a Forcefielder on the team (me) and wanted to ensure everyone got buffed before we started heading through the caves.
Alas, no. You used what looked like a keybind telling us to do what we -all- knew we were supposed to.
That was when "jerk1" quipped the first time.
Further in, we came upon a room known for splitting up teams, and while the main group moved along the wall, you stayed on the inside, and got hit by an ambush, or patrol, or some spawn I didn't see, though that last one is unlikely as they were in the area we came from.
And that, that's where things started to fall apart. With the resulting kick, I was flummoxed at how to help you. And I realized, I sorta didn't want to.
I think even you yourself has pointed this out, but CoH's community is kind, generous, and a pretty cool lot. But you did the social equivalent of going number 2 in the community pool after just moving into the neighborhood. At least in my book.
So I said my line, which was more along the lines of "when leading a team, show respect and you'll receive it back", than what you paraphrased in your OP. Normally I'd have a chat log for proof, but I don't turn it on when not Rping, and the way you lead the team meant very little of that was going to happen.
All in all, I think you should try just joining teams for a bit, or forming and passing the lead to another. Watch how others handle it for a while.
To right the countless wrongs of our day, we shine the light of true redemption, that this place may become as paradise. What a wonderful world such would be....
I'm sorry what was that, I couldn't hear you over my TRAGIC PAST!!
That first-hand report was nice to see, almost wish we could have seen it sooner. In some small way, ViKtoricus may have become a focal point for all poor-mannered leaders in the course of this thread. But he is still a new member to the community.
Five pages into the thread, I think our welcome mat is looking a bit too red. I have seen worse social goof-ups become likeable, regular members on my teams. Not to mention a couple of embarrassing moments of my own when I was new.
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Not semantics so much as we use different words for the same thing. |
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Still, Claws, I totally understand what you were saying and, yes, I believe it was more a matter of semantics (which is what I think Days was trying to explain to you earlier).
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What some here have termed "respect", I call "common courtesy". Which is the general behavior of treating people with courtesy, politeness and consideration.
Respect, to me, is something different. Respect, to me, entails something else. It's a little harder to explain, but Memphis Bill came pretty close on it.
I will ask Werner, Iggy Kamakaze, or a few other people for advice on building a scrapper, because they have proven over the years that they are knowledgeable about such things, and have thus earned my respect.
However, I will not ask some random player in the game for advice on building said scrapper, because I have no way of knowing if they have any clue about what they are talking about. Thus they have NOT earned my respect.
That make more sense?
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
No, I understood it already. I just used the term "semantics" in place of "different definitions".
I understood where everyone was coming from with their different definitions of "respect".
It's all good
I tend to use respect for "common courtesy", because it is through my respect and care of other individuals that I act and think that way.
You can gain more respect (or specific aspects that deserve respect) the more you know about most any individual, but yeah... I totally get what you are/were talking about.
Also... hehe... And this is just for humor's sake... You saying:
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While a definition for semantics says:| Not semantics so much as we use different words for the same thing. |
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@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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I couldn't find one for you though... |
Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
What Golden Girl said--No wait! Just saw your Virtueverse bio! You're on Virtue! Captain-Electric and Electric-Knight gotta team up!
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But absolutely!
It's time for a special Team Up issue!
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Thanks to interesting career choices, I type 65 words per minute and often do this sort of thing while leading teams. Freaks people out, but they get used to it.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Power metal or electro-pop?
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Guitar heroes are versatile.
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@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Seconded.|
Originally Posted by Justice_Reaper
All in all, I think you should try just joining teams for a bit, or forming and passing the lead to another. Watch how others handle it for a while.
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That little yellow star by your name does not give you any sovereignty over anyone else. You can add/remove people from the team and set up missions for the team to run. Whoopa-de-freaking-doo.
- When I team with somebody, I put tanks before ranks. If the team leader is a tank, he trades the titleof "team leader" for "team tank" at the mission door. Same applies if the leader is a defender, blaster, stalker, or mastermind.
- Leadership goes to whoever has the most experience with the mission/TF/SF/zone, regardless of who has the star.
- Respect begins at the level of one player to another. Respect changes depending on a given player's moral character in regards to other players. A common example of a negative character trait is a person who kicks a controller from a team for tanking better than the actual tanker. If the troller has to tank because the tanker can't tank, then the team needs to tank the tanker, take a tougher tank, and thank the troller for tanking for the tanked tanker.
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Dr. Seuss? |
Originally Posted by JAG-01
If the troller has to tank because the tanker can't tank, then the team needs to tank the tanker, take a tougher tank, and thank the troller for tanking for the tanked tanker.
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Don�t say things. What you are stands over you the while, and thunders so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary. - R.W. Emerson |
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To make up for it, every one of my 23 characters has a long-winded bio. |
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I couldn't find one for you though...
But absolutely! It's time for a special Team Up issue! |
Sent you a forum friend request!
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Dark-Eyes � Doctor Serpentine � Stonecaster � Skymaiden � The Blue Jaguar
Guide to Altitis � A Comic for New Players � The Lore Project � Intro to extraterrestrials in CoH
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Spaloosh
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Guitar heroes are versatile.
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"Make others do the work for you, but always take the credit." -Robert Greene
Hmmm... "Pens Robert Greene in on the list of people I want to leave a tire track on"
Hey was distracted for a second. This guy Greene looks like he would have made a stellar boss at say Enron.
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Archer reference? |
Originally Posted by LISAR
Spaloosh
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Arc #6015 - Coming Unglued
"A good n00b-sauce is based on a good n00b-roux." - The Masque
I know this is the interwebz and folks very rarely agree completely on anything, but seeing as how we all play the same game here, I think there is at least one thing we all can agree on. PUGS can ...at random..go either way!
If you end up starting a pug, or just joining one, you can NOT EXPECT the team to run smooth and mesh well on the first mission. Hell, it might even take 3 or more before the entire team gets a feel for how best to run together. Sometimes it does start out great..we'll call that.. luck of the draw.
When in a pug, whether its one I started, or one I joined, I like to stick it out for at least 3 missions. By then I usually have a good idea of who likes to charge in, who likes to hang back, and who goes afk right after entering the mission.(yes, I've been on teams where the same guy went afk on EVERY mission, at the SAME point..at the door upon entry..but thats a story for a different thread)
If folks were to STOP EXPECTING people to either already do it "the right way" or to "fall in line" with what they want then this game would.. at times be much more enjoyable, and we'd see less and less threads with people ******** and whining because they said "do this" and another person said "kiss my ***".
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This. I listen to advice. But you don't get to give me orders unless you're paying my subscription fee.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
They were a bit rude, but the rather imperious "don't give me that attitude" and the excessive "you jackass" is even worse behaviour on your part. After that, I probably would have bailed on you, myself.
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My only comment would be: Don't tell people what to do when they already know what to do. And unless you are all sub-level 8, you probably already know how to play your characters.
dont give him ideas
look afew posts up
Today, 05:36 PM
if it had been april fools
that post woulda /shoulda been the lol i was only joking