You are not Level 51.
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Aura_Familia,
Posted on: 2011-03-27 24:16 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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That doesn't matter. The point Zombie Man was making is that you do not gain any hit points by gaining a level shift, and therefore you have not gained a level.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Also on the fact that the 50 won't be standing there allowing himself to be killed. Given enough time ANYTHING can do enough damage to kill a 50. So of all things that show you are still 50, doing enough damage to kill a 50 isn't all that impressive to use as an example.
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No I am not. A couple of my characters however are. ;P
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Just to clarify things for me, is this actually a discussion that we are having?
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I would certainly hope that no one is having it seriously and is just poking fun as something to do. I have, however, seen stranger things ignite what appears to be real anger.
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Originally Posted by Kelenar
Just to clarify things for me, is this actually a discussion that we are having?
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Can you prove that a level 51 player character has more health than a level 50 player character? And by that I don't mean point at a formula that shows a 51 should have more health but actual evidence that one does.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Excuse me, but if a level 50 minion does enough damage to kill a level 50 character but not enough to kill a level 51 character and you die, then yes, that means you're still level 50.
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Can you prove to me that a level 51 player actually exists? And by that I don't mean point me to where it says "50 (+1)" but where it shows on the UI that it says "51".
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Originally Posted by Shadow State
Can you prove that a level 51 player character has more health than a level 50 player character? And by that I don't mean point at a formula that shows a 51 should have more health but actual evidence that one does.
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The UI isn't the only determination for language usage in the game, otherwise we wouldn't have terms like scranker, blapper, offender, huntsman build, WTF, etc. If a group of people use level 51 to denote a level shifted character, then that's what level 51 means, even if another group thinks that term should be reserved for a situation that is unlikely to ever exist.
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Originally Posted by Rikis
Can you prove to me that a level 51 player actually exists? And by that I don't mean point me to where it says "50 (+1)" but where it shows on the UI that it says "51".
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Oh don't misinterpret where I stand on this argument. I don't care whether they call themselves 51 or Death Ponies. I know what they mean when they advertise themselves as level 51. |
Originally Posted by Shadow State
The UI isn't the only determination for language usage in the game, otherwise we wouldn't have terms like scranker, blapper, offender, huntsman build, WTF, etc. If a group of people use level 51 to denote a level shifted character, then that's what level 51 means, even if another group thinks that term should be reserved for a situation that is unlikely to ever exist.
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I just found it ridiculous to ask for proof of a level 51 player having more HP than a level 50. For 49 level ups, you gained more HP, a new power or new slots and your powers' base damage went up. So a level 51 will naturally have all of that happen too, not just some parts of it.
And entities that do go past level 50, NPCs, have more HP at level 51 than 50.
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I am so going to start using 'Lvl 51 Death Pony' as my LFG flag! |
Originally Posted by Rikis
... I don't care whether they call themselves 51 or Death Ponies....
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You are Security Level 50 but you are Combat Level 51. It's easier to just say Level 51 and most people will know what you mean.
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My point was simply that since level 51 doesn't exist for PCs we can't know how it would differ from level 50. Castle once said that were the level cap to be raised, we wouldn't get any more slots or powers. The progress system doesn't remain exactly the same over every level, there's no guarantee any future level must follow the existing patterns.
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Originally Posted by Rikis
Oh don't misinterpret where I stand on this argument. I don't care whether they call themselves 51 or Death Ponies. I know what they mean when they advertise themselves as level 51.
I just found it ridiculous to ask for proof of a level 51 player having more HP than a level 50. For 49 level ups, you gained more HP, a new power or new slots and your powers' base damage went up. So a level 51 will naturally have all of that happen too, not just some parts of it. And entities that do go past level 50, NPCs, have more HP at level 51 than 50. |
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So, you're spoiling for a rutabega v. turnip fight, now, aren't you?
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
ROTFL!
Seriously, why can't we all just say "I'm like 51, but not".  Honestly I couldn't care less if someone says they are rutabega as long as they aren't a total moron during a tf. |
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
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EXACTLY Call it whatever you like 50 (+1). 50+1 or just 51.. after I slotted my first tier 3 and got my LEVEL SHIFT suddenly level 50 minons conned BLUE to me and I even found Elite Bosses on the ITF that were no longer PURPLE they were YELLOW.. I personally like to type in the 50 (+1) when I am advertising my services to any team but I see plenty of people that simply use 51 to save time. Everyone knows exactly what both methods mean.. "Hi I am looking for a team and my character has a teir 3 or 4 slotted in my Alpha. So basically I can kick the crap out of just about anything"
RELAX Choas there are plenty of other things to /rant about. This seems like a pretty small issue compared to other things happening in game.
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You can't use that because there are only Lvl 50+1 Death Ponies not lvl 51.
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Originally Posted by Kinrad
I am so going to start using 'Lvl 51 Death Pony' as my LFG flag!
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Alright fine, You are not level 52 or 53. Can we agree on this?
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For now, sure - I'm still only 51 |
Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Alright fine, You are not level 52 or 53. Can we agree on this?
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So you're saying I'm 51+2?
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Alright fine, You are not level 52 or 53. Can we agree on this?
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So why not make this simpler and just say "+1 AT lft" or for those who have the new shifts "+2 AT lft" or "+3 AT lft." Its not like anyone except for Incarnates can have level shifts.
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Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold
So why not make this simpler and just say "+1 AT lft" or for those who have the new shifts "+2 AT lft" or "+3 AT lft." Its not like anyone except for Incarnates can have level shifts.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
A Mensa convention, eh?
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Curse you! I must now spend hours reading this webcomic.
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Of course the scenario is oversimplified as stated, since "enough damage to kill a 50" depends on a lot more than level (AT, +Max Health set bonuses, Accolades, etc).
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