A plot twist that would redeem everything...
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Posted on: 2011-03-22 15:45 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I don't think Mender Silos is the Praetorian Nemesis. That would be... Amazingly lame. Last we heard of Praetoria's Nemsis, he died a simple toy maker back in the 1800s somewhere. No reason that can't be expanded upon, however.
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Originally Posted by SuperOz
As to Prae Nemesis being involved...there's some supporting evidence to that as he's not seen in the opening chapter of the Alpha Slot arc and the Menders openly speak of him not being as he seems. If he is manipulating Praetorian Hamidon and by extension Praetorian Cole, it'd make sense as he was also responsible for agitating the Rikti into invading from another alternate dimension.....
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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No reason it should be either.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I don't think Mender Silos is the Praetorian Nemesis. That would be... Amazingly lame. Last we heard of Praetoria's Nemsis, he died a simple toy maker back in the 1800s somewhere. No reason that can't be expanded upon, however.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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I 'm Hamidon. |
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Originally Posted by Silencer7
I think villains are more intriguing when they're human, personally.
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(Primal Hamidon is overdue for an overhaul, imho. It should never be as routine as it's become to fight someone who's supposed to be the world's greatest expert on super powers and countering them.)
I wonder now if both Hamidon and Cole's life forces are now tied together? Maybe the only way to defeat both of them is to defeat them at the same time?
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Presumably he got ignored because he's been frozen in suspended animation in the Freedom Phalanx's headquarters since the 80s, while Tyrant has been Emperor for decades.
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Originally Posted by The_Volt
It sort of justifies the Well's choice of who to empower as well, why didn't it choose Reichsman instead right? It's not like Tyrant is the only dimensional doppelganger of States to try taking over our dimension.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed
Even better, what if they had switched minds like in some sort of whacky 80s comedy?
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They never confirmed his death - they just said that they "liked to think" that he died as a happy old clock-maker |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Last we heard of Praetoria's Nemsis, he died a simple toy maker back in the 1800s somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Radmind
I smell a new TF or Raid
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Nemesis being Hamidon wouldn't be nearly as cool as Nemesis manipulating Hamidon into becoming the giant Mr. Slugworth intent on taking all of our Everlasting Gobstoppers.
(Pteranodon isn't in the Firefox spellchecker, but Everlasting Gobstopper is? Weird.)
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The next 2 Incarnate Trials are an attack on Anti-Matter's reactors, and a fight with the Praetorian Hamidon in the Underground.
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Originally Posted by Radmind
I wonder now if both Hamidon and Cole's life forces are now tied together? Maybe the only way to defeat both of them is to defeat them at the same time?
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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
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Good point! I can't believe that went so far over my head. Having a Nemesis on Praetorian Earth does not require the Praetorian Earth Nemesis in particular.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Mourning
No reason it should be either.
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In fact, I believe Nemesis Rex is still unaccounted for. Would love to see something done with him, since he seems to be even more awesome than our own Primal Nemesis, what with having already conquered his entire world, as well as those of multiple dimensions.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
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Originally Posted by Serpine
Basically he is *hoping* people will come back in and finish him off so he can finally die free.
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From reading all this, I think that what may be most likely is that when Hamidon psychically assaulted Cole and they had their battle of wits; when they broke apart they were both significantly altered and took on characteristics and personality traits of the other. Not so much that either is controlling the other, but that they just became more like eachother. Hence why the attacks died down, and why Cole got completely power-hungry.
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Originally Posted by Johnstone
From reading all this, I think that what may be most likely is that when Hamidon psychically assaulted Cole and they had their battle of wits; when they broke apart they were both significantly altered and took on characteristics and personality traits of the other. Not so much that either is controlling the other, but that they just became more like eachother. Hence why the attacks died down, and why Cole got completely power-hungry.
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Praetorian Hamidon is the Well of the Furies.
And Primal Hamidon is the letter writer.
I really should do something about this signature.
I thought the plot twist was already in the story, really. Why does a man who's clearly out to protect his people (albeit as a dictator) suddenly decide he must outrightly destroy an alternate dimension to his?
Additionally to that, as others have posted, there was the psychic attack on Cole by Hamidon, a creature that's largely regarded as being an Incarnate themselves. In this case though, you have an Incarnate whose powers are psychic more than physical.
As to Prae Nemesis being involved...there's some supporting evidence to that as he's not seen in the opening chapter of the Alpha Slot arc and the Menders openly speak of him not being as he seems. If he is manipulating Praetorian Hamidon and by extension Praetorian Cole, it'd make sense as he was also responsible for agitating the Rikti into invading from another alternate dimension.....
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