Sounds like an urban myth, like how clicking the glowies in the Terra Volta respec trial causes more ambushes to spawn (not true and was never true). A drone probably got destroyed. Dunno about the mission advancement question, though. I would guess that it's required though, why would they put it there otherwise?
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Seems like a myth to me. I run up there every time, and have gotten MoA on every single toon that's ran it :P
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It is my understanding that to get the MO badge - it requires you get 3 bages.
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All that said, there is a point in mission after the sewers that a red mission arrow appears...up the stairs.
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Tonight I was accused of failing the MO portion because I ran up there to trip the mission advance. I ran immediately down the stairs. Didn't fight up there. Though at least one war walker was fought up there later (after I was blamed).
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The people blaming you also fail to realize that you don't need to get every badge on a single run. So if they missed a badge, they can run Apex again to try again for that badge.
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So is the person correct...just running up the steps and not using the little concrete arc in the middle the reason?
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Or am I correct in saying that fighting up there got a drone destroyed?
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Also - will the mission advance if someone doesn't go up there?
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Originally Posted by WenDarkFall
All that said, there is a point in mission after the sewers that a red mission arrow appears...up the stairs.
To get the mission to progress someone has to go up there....at least that is my experience, having lead and gotten the MO badge on several characters. Tonight I was accused of failing the MO portion because I ran up there to trip the mission advance. I ran immediately down the stairs. Didn't fight up there. Though at least one war walker was fought up there later (after I was blamed). So is the person correct...just running up the steps and not using the little concrete arc in the middle the reason? Or am I correct in saying that fighting up there got a drone destroyed? |
The other person was definitely wrong (and apparently a muttonhead). Just as you suggest, someone MUST go up to Blue Steel's dais to advance the mission. It doesn't matter if you use the stairs, the ramp, fly or teleport.
I say you MAY be correct since we didn't see what everyone else was doing at all times. Fighting one of the walkers up on the platform MAY have gotten a drone destroyed. If it happened to get caught in an Orbital Lance radius, that would have done it.
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The people that are spouting this nonsense are clueless.
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I did an MO run tonight(although not on purpose, we don't see any reason to use the drones) and did exactly the same thing, flew up their, flew right back. Someone in my group dashes up and back nearly every time we play, and it actually seems to improve our chances of finishing the MO, because it keep the enemy from getting up to where the drones are.
And if that's the only badge they failed, they just need to run the first mish again, then they can safely quite once they complete the mission. I had a toon get the MO by completing only the first mish the other day. I did finish the tf, but I already had the MO badge after the first mission.
As far as I know you have to hit the coin to trigger the last phase of the mission.
That said, if the drones are inactive, they seem to be unable to catch any aggro, so all enemies head straight to the players. The reason you still fight on the bottom of the stairs is that the drones are still susceptible to AoE damage. So the reason you failed is because the War Walker AoE damage destroyed a drone.
I can only assume, but it seems like the uninformed person heard "if you want the Master badges, you need to fight at the bottom of the stairs" and holds this as the gospel truth and if you ever slightly approach the stairs the badges won't be awarded. You know, the kinda people that care a lot about the how but don't spend a single thought on the why.
I did Apex for the first time last night (I've been away from the game for about 6 months) and managed to get this on the first try. I didn't even know this badge existed, but then again I am really behind on the new ones. I got lucky, but after all the heartache and time it took to get MoSTF on my badger, I think I was owed an easy one.
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I did Apex for the first time last night (I've been away from the game for about 6 months) and managed to get this on the first try. I didn't even know this badge existed, but then again I am really behind on the new ones. I got lucky, but after all the heartache and time it took to get MoSTF on my badger, I think I was owed an easy one.
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that one is similar but takes more doing to do
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You may be correct.
The other person was definitely wrong (and apparently a muttonhead). Just as you suggest, someone MUST go up to Blue Steel's dais to advance the mission. It doesn't matter if you use the stairs, the ramp, fly or teleport. I say you MAY be correct since we didn't see what everyone else was doing at all times. Fighting one of the walkers up on the platform MAY have gotten a drone destroyed. If it happened to get caught in an Orbital Lance radius, that would have done it. |
Even if they get stuck, it is possible to keep the drones alive despite getting attacked.
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The people expressing certainty without personally checking are the clueless ones. Not saying you fall in this category, but plenty of people are just jumping on the bandwagon (on both sides) and expressing thoroughly uninformed opinions.
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As to the bandwagon, I started my post before Tamaki and I was 100% certain of my answer, unlike DarkGob.
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Would having everyone consume lucks like candy cause Director 11's bombers to miss their target or are they unresistable?
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Are you actually insulting me because I wasn't sure about something?
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As to the bandwagon, I started my post before Tamaki and I was 100% certain of my answer, unlike DarkGob.
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You mean the impossible to overcome 5% chance to hit? I don't think it would matter that much if it was one huge attack, but if it was an attack like Rain of Fire, then it could be a problem. Have everyone softcap defenses with lucks and hit Director 11 as hard as possible with whatever the team currently has in terms of temp powers might be a good way to have a decent chance defeating him. Of course, you are always subject to the dreaded RNG, but that is to be expected.
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They would still have a small chance at hitting you.
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You mean the impossible to overcome 5% chance to hit? I don't think it would matter that much if it was one huge attack, but if it was an attack like Rain of Fire, then it could be a problem.
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BTW, if it's not a Master attempt, it's pretty entertaining to run down an aisle past 20-30 bombs and watch them all going off behind you.
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Defeat Battle Maiden in 15 minutes (time off the map doesn't count).
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I feel semi insulted too :P but I blame the vodka.
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Are you actually insulting me because I wasn't sure about something?
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The wiki disagrees with you, as does my experience. On my last Master Run it took us more than 15 minutes from the moment we started fighting her (counting the time she was off the map) and I was sure we had blown it, but we still got the badge.
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The time she spends off the map *does* count - but the timer starts when you land the first punch on her, so the time spent fighting the swords on the roof doesn't count.
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Definately a myth in order for the mission to continue at least one person HAS to go up to the "Paragon Penny" (which by the way until this TF started I was completelty unaware that was the name of that thing behind Blue Steel). Here's another for you the very first Apex I did this week someone actually clicked on the glowie and took a drone activator and of course the leader was CERTAIN the attempt at a master's run was ruined. I explained as long as no one USED the thing to activate any drones it didn't matter.. guess what we completed the mission, got BOTH badges and went on to get the Master Of .... By taking out BM in less than 15 minutes. |
Originally Posted by WenDarkFall
It is my understanding that to get the MO badge - it requires you get 3 bages.
Drone protector...making sure none of them die. Burden Bearer...not activating them - and also protecting them. Defeat Battle Maiden in 15 minutes (time off the map doesn't count). All that said, there is a point in mission after the sewers that a red mission arrow appears...up the stairs. To get the mission to progress someone has to go up there....at least that is my experience, having lead and gotten the MO badge on several characters. Tonight I was accused of failing the MO portion because I ran up there to trip the mission advance. I ran immediately down the stairs. Didn't fight up there. Though at least one war walker was fought up there later (after I was blamed). So is the person correct...just running up the steps and not using the little concrete arc in the middle the reason? Or am I correct in saying that fighting up there got a drone destroyed? Also - will the mission advance if someone doesn't go up there? I do know the sword ambush on the roof doesn't trigger unless you cross to the next roof. Is another hami Pylon Lady Grey TF myth getting started? |
This is one of the reason I don't generally like MO runs unless its clearly stated at the start "If we fail no big deal". Certain players get so wrapped up in obtaining a badge that they become rude and obnoxious over the stupidest little things. And with Apex and Tin Mage all that makes even less sense.. The Old school master of badges required a team to complete the entire TF with no deaths and no temp powers and once you failed YOU FAILED. But with the Master of runs associated with these new TFs you can earn X number of badges this time and then simply run the same thing again, and again and again until you get the final ones to acquire the MO Badge. So for whatever reason your team didn't earn a badge required on that run.. all your RUDE Leader needed to do was run the TF again and he/she probably would have gotten it the second time.
Some people just get too wound up in things for their own good. Gee I had 2 seperate STF attempts fail the week it was the WST on the LAST mission and after we'd taken out all of Recluse's Lieutenants and the Arachnos Flyer or in other words.. after close to 90 minutes the TANK couldn't hold Aggro long enough for us to take out the towers. After those two teams decided to break up I just found another and got my Notice. When Kahn was the WST I was on a MO run with my tanker and we breezed through everything to the final mission and had taken out the last of Reichmann's AV allies and had him down to a sliver of health. Then one of the squishy team members got a bit to close to Reichmann when he set off that Lightning attack of his and ended up dead. About 1 minute later so did Reichmann and the team got our Notices. No one was upset and everyone had a great time.
My advice to you if you can even remember the leader's name.. Create a note on him and simply never team with him again. Obviously he takes things WAY to seriously.
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In *my* experience, I was on runs where BM spent less than 15 minutes on the map and I didn't get the badge.
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The wiki disagrees with you, as does my experience. On my last Master Run it took us more than 15 minutes from the moment we started fighting her (counting the time she was off the map) and I was sure we had blown it, but we still got the badge.
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Then it sounds like your run was bugged - from what I've observed the intent is that her vacation in the middle shouldn't count. But you just need to kill all the non-swords that spawn fast anyway because as I recall she regens somewhat when off map.
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Originally Posted by Silver Gale
In *my* experience, I was on runs where BM spent less than 15 minutes on the map and I didn't get the badge.
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Then it sounds like your run was bugged - from what I've observed the intent is that her vacation in the middle shouldn't count. But you just need to kill all the non-swords that spawn fast anyway because as I recall she regens somewhat when off map.
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It's worth point out that, since the wiki is updated by the players and not the devs, it could be wrong. Given the amount of information present, we can be certain at any time that SOME of it is wrong.
Also, were we ever told by a redname that the time is actually 15 minutes? Maybe they did datamining and came up with some oddball time like 14 or 17 minutes and that's why people have conflicting reports.
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It is my understanding that to get the MO badge - it requires you get 3 bages.
Drone protector...making sure none of them die.
Burden Bearer...not activating them - and also protecting them.
Defeat Battle Maiden in 15 minutes (time off the map doesn't count).
All that said, there is a point in mission after the sewers that a red mission arrow appears...up the stairs.
To get the mission to progress someone has to go up there....at least that is my experience, having lead and gotten the MO badge on several characters.
Tonight I was accused of failing the MO portion because I ran up there to trip the mission advance. I ran immediately down the stairs. Didn't fight up there. Though at least one war walker was fought up there later (after I was blamed).
So is the person correct...just running up the steps and not using the little concrete arc in the middle the reason?
Or am I correct in saying that fighting up there got a drone destroyed?
Also - will the mission advance if someone doesn't go up there?
I do know the sword ambush on the roof doesn't trigger unless you cross to the next roof.
Is another hami Pylon Lady Grey TF myth getting started?
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