Question: Future Issues- Fixes- your view?

First of all as some of you maybe thinking..this isnt a suggestion, rant but a question or few.

Now i post here cos i know not everyone looks in the player questions and wanted most of ur views on this, as this has been a serious discussion between me and some of my mates.

Not sure when, lets say for now issue 22,23

Instead of bringing out new content, exciting new toys for us..what if the Devs went back over the game, fixing all/any bugs we currently have, revamping old zones and old tf's etc, stuff thats been around since issue 4/5 where nowadays its just a complete boor to do. (like they have done with posi tf).

Would you as players accept this as a good issue or something like..seriously wt* is this? cos i know everyone moans here n there about something..well surely it'll be nice if they brought out a issue with all these change fixes..surely that will please people?


(( though saying tht at the same time or just after some love is needed for villains..i.e more sf's . ))

Revamps ARE new content. Faultline, RCS/RWZ and Praetoria (it bled into the old Portal Corp arcs after all). I would welcome going back and fixing a lot of the tedious old content as it would entice me to play it rather than look upon it with scorn.


And there's two/three islands that could be opened up for the missing villain ranges.

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I think revamping old content, fixing old bugs/glitches etc... instead of developing new content is always worthwhile, but needs to be prioritised, same as any other planned piece of work. At this point in the games development, i think revamping old zones would be a great idea. The oldest zones in the game are mainly early level zones, and players cant wait to get past them because the newer, and higher level content is so much more immersive and challenging.

Unfortunately, the devs have stated a few times before that redeveloping an existing zone is the same amount of work as creating a new zone, so they prefer to add new content, instead of revamp old zones. I understand that, but i think its a long term mistake. I understand it not being the main focus, but at some point the older content needs to be revamped otherwise your older zones become more and more something to be yawned and sped through to get to the newer and more exciting content in other zones. Given the games state now, i think it would acceptable to hold off on new zones and revamp existing ones, and address any long standing bugs at the same time.

Oh... errmm.. to the OP /signed i guess

i would give somebody else's right arm for a shard revamp, its a place with amazing potential and scale, but unfortunately was made back when the devs were still learning. the devs that made the...arguable...praetoria into something of real quality could make the shadow shard absolutely mind-blowing.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

/Signed

The Task Forces in particular need to be revamped. Is there anyone that didn't appreciate what they did with Positron 1&2? We all loved it! And by providing us that, the devs have firmly planted the expectation in our minds that they might continue the trend. Please, do it!

Especially considering that the Task Force Commander accolade is very important to get if you have any intention of maxing out your characters. We "have" to do them, yet most of them are unbearably tedious(this week's WST being Sister Psyche is a perfect example).

Noone wants to do a TF that takes more than a couple hours max. The original notion that people would play them over the course of a few days was horribly ill-conceived. Get rid of the redundant Kill Alls, get rid of the missions in multiple zones, and give us some more quality "Set Piece" battles like Dark Mirror and Reichsman.

I tried to do a bunch of contacts in the Shard, but it got way too boring after awhile. The same cave maps, fighting the same enemies over and over again. Revamp the missions and open it up to villains.

Yes, Shard TFs need an overhaul too. I slogged through Sarah Moore once, and have little to no intention of doing Dr Q as a result.

I definitely want revamps. The further this game's come with the RWZ, Cimerora, Praetoria, the more and more unappealing places like Baumton become. The Shadow Shard is a beautiful place, but it's in need of content to be done there. A new co-op 40-50 experience with new contacts, funky mission mechanics, revamped TFs, and perhaps shiny red liquid. I'd love to see Baumton get a revamp though; progress the story. The villains currently get the most up-to-date version of Baumton when they visit it in a mission, and I hate that the actual zone is still behind.

I don't know about 'an issue where they fix all the bugs', though. Something tells me if it were that easy to fix bugs, they'd be fixed already. Perhaps after a forum thread where we list all the bugs we know of, the issue could focus on bug-squashing?

Anyway. Revamps. Signed.

Nothing would make me happier than to see an entire Issue dedicated to cleaning house. There's a distinct feel of quantity over quality lately, and I don't like it. Poor QA, grade school writing and a complete lack of action on long-standing bugs is not the way to attract new players, or retain the existing ones.

I would love to see ugly old content removed/upgraded/replaced.
RWZ/Ouroboros/Cimerora/Praetoria... The stuff from Paragon studios is light years above the old Cryptic ugly stuff.

Revamps of blue-side might make me actually play blue-side. Revamps are new content.

I think the devs and I have different definitions of the word "revamp." Mine doesn't include changing the entire map for a zone, or a Task Force requiring special encounters with unique maps every mission. The old Faultline looked way cooler than the new one, IMO, there was just no reason to go there. Look at the villain SFs, often held up as way better than the hero equivalents: normal maps, with normal encounters, except for the last mission. I think revamps and new content are too much work because they make it too much work. When they make every mission "special" players will start expecting that every mission will be "special."

Look at Praetoria, with a handful of mechanically fancy missions, but mostly just "kill this guy" and "grab this blinky" with ambushes. Lose the ambushes, and carry that philosophy into the rest of the game. The Lady Grey TF is still popular despite the first three missions being totally straight-forward, and it still doesn't look dated, despite being one of the first "new style" TFs. The Tin Magey three missions in one, not a single spawn point wasted TF style is really not needed to make Citadel not suck.

man i think there should be an incarnate option when you start the tf's like a mo option but you can select the incarnate option and play any tf at lvl 54

and also i think that going to outer space would be cool we could do something like break into the rikti mother ship and steal it and go to the rikti home planet and invade then for once

It sounds really nice in theory. But, I'm a brat. I would really like the old content fixed up, but I don't want to see dedication done to that end, because I still want new stuff as well.

Bugs etc should always get fixed as they crop up [pending priorities blah blah].

The process to revamp would be better done incidentally. The faultline revamp worked well because it was changing a Hazard zone [which was fairly empty] with a full fledged zone, and it gave them an excuse to fix Positron. The same is true for the RCS->RWZ revamp. That's fine.

So pretty much, I'd like to see revamps, but I would not like to see issue(s) dedicated to revamping.

I'd like to see it, but I'd imagine it's hard to plan for, all this bug fixing. I mean, by their very nature, bugs are an unintended consequence of something you don't know.

The devs could sit down and say "today we will fix the run-away problem!" and they might have it licked in an hour (doubtful, or it would have already happened I think). Or it might take them three days to figure out what's causing it.

It would be nice to say a new issue could be slotted to fix a lot of bugs, but after the "usual" amount of hours put into an issue, they might not have a lot to show for it.

(Still, if issue 23 came along and all it was was "Issue 23: No More Running!", I think we all might appreciate it. )

If such a release were made, players would still whine that "the devs never fix anything," "the devs are lazy," and "they never do anything right." Plus, a lot more screaming for "I want [insert player's personal preoccupation here, be it animated fingers, banking flight animations, or an Arcane theme for Traps]." Lately, this is all I ever hear about the game. A "bug fix" issue isn't going to stop this.

(As an aside, the building level of negativity really bothers me, given that the game seems better now than it's ever been. The attitude seems to be that if you complain about something long enough, it gets changed, or "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." This adage hasn't been borne out by my own life experience, for whatever that's worth. In my experience, a squeaky wheel is more likely to cause the car's owner [the publisher, in our metaphor, I guess] to decide to junk it entirely and buy a newer, flashier model.)

Also, I agree that the devs are thinking of much more extensive operations than the players are when they hear "zone revamp."