Market griefing - enough already

Case in point:

Clockwork Winders were going for 800k today.

Glad I didn't need one.

Just with the devs would view the market as a tool for all player, not a PvP minigame for a few.

Fortunately, with A Merits and AE Tickets I can pretty much ignore the stinking pile of offal.

To the original poster:

One player can only have 20 or so slots per level 50 character. That means each character can bid or sell 200 or so items at most. If they have 10 level 50 characters they can only corner the market on 2000 items. And when other people start selling the items for less than they're listing them for, the price will drop again.

In the end this can never be a serious problem because it's just too boring to sit around buying and reselling salvage. It's a stupid prank, not very funny and not very ingenious.

You can easily circumvent these jerks in just a few minutes, if it's that important to you, by just running AE missions and getting salvage with tickets. I would much rather have the devs spend their time adding real features to the system, and the GMs spend their time helping people with real problems instead of riding herd on nitwits.

If there are indeed idiots who are getting their jollies buying low and selling outrageously high, you're only providing them the feedback they strive for by posting here. If you would instead spend this time producing a bunch of salvage and selling it for reasonable prices all the griefers' slots would be clogged with overpriced salvage. And you would make a ton of inf when people overpaid for your lower-priced salvage.

This is how regular markets work, and it's why the devs won't do anything about this. It's a self-correcting problem.

I needed two Steel this weekend and noticed they were going for 1 million each at the time.

So I ran a quick AE mission and bought them both for 80 tickets each.

Going by the first couple of posts- i like it tbh, it can be expensive yerr.but in return some things become cheaper which is awesome. bit of creativity in io'n ftw..tho the main stream io's will naturally be expensive yer

Monopolies, price fixing and 'cornering the market' are illegal in the real world for good reasons. They allow the people who have money to insure that the masses without must pay the price they want for goods.

Cornering Alchemical Silver is no different then doing so with real silver.

Yes, the market can be considered a mini-game. Not everyone likes to play it. Nor should they. Sadly if one like to play the IO/Set game or the min/max game the only realistic way to do it is with the market.

Making a store to sell common salvage at 10k or 5 merits or dome other set price would go a long way to allowing people who like to craft not be at the mercy of the 'haves' who monopolize specific goods in the market to price gouge the general populous.

Setting a fixed price for common salvage would also leave room with uncommon, rare and the other types of items sold for those who do like to do market wars with each other to gouge away till no one has an eye left.

I do sell my recipe drops, my salvage etc. Doesnt mean I like having to spend the time doing it to enjoy other parts of the game. I'd like to outfit a number of my characters in common IO's. Making the Inf to do so by playing market shenanigans is not fun for me, and as is evident in this thread not fun for a number of other people as well.

I was never particularly rich with playing WOW either. Despite that I could easily go farm the raw materials I needed to craft goods. Finding certain ore types could be a pain... but you could do it.

Without getting into the whole buy it Now issue or learn to market some have brought up. I can understand where the OP is coming from. There is some frustration when dealing with the market.

Personally I come from a point where I felt frustrated and just gave up and had to semi learn the market-fu. I'm a middle of the road guy and have been fortunate to fall into a dozen or more high end purple drops over the last few months along with having more Defense Cap toons that can handle 4/8 missions then I know what to do with. All which I am happy to say are NOT brutes,Tanks or Scrappers. I do AE when I need to buy some Rare salvage instead of spending the common 3 million for one. 20 minutes in a AE farm allows me to save 10 million.

My only want might be the PvP IO which grants +3 to defenses to free up some more slots. But as I said I'm soloing max setting for the game so I have no clue beyond trying certain TF solo what else I need to worry about.

But with all that being said to me I would rather have a system that allows me to combine salvages / IOs or to convert salvages and IOs into other sets. Even if it was at a loss of resources. Basically allow the ability to break down IOs made and premade and even salvage to some common denominator that I can recreate into something else I need.

I see that somewhat with incarnate system. Though I do think the trade is slightly a bit steep seeing it is pretty much a 4 to 1 ratio.

To me my big fear or issue I have with the market is when the item I sold as vendor trash today sells for 10x that amount on the market the next day.

Just too many things can make the market unstable. Players whim to buy out stuff for a goof. Some new farm. Some other game falling apart and getting a reflux of members back in, Some new expansion. Etc, Etc..

Add in the serious amount of time it really does take to slot up a IO character. I mean just having the build open and being in window mode to tab in and out of the game to make sure you didn't slot 6 instead of 5 in that power. I won't even include the time or respecs you might waste just trying to salvage what IOs you have in the build already because they have some value themselves as well.

End result between the market game and then the final time to respec you can be talking a decent 5 hours of time committed to respecing one character. I am not even trying to debate or discuss the waiting a week so as not to fall into the buy it now trap.

I think combining those 2 situations can add to the annoyance factor sometimes.

Even just slotting one power out for a new one is a pain in the backside. Let alone what it takes to do a full respec and the amount of cost invested sometimes.

How many people have created a build but just didn't notice or think that one IO from one set would be 10x more expensive then the whole other 5 pieces in the set combined. I know I fell into that trap once or twice. I had to stall the build just to get some merits together to buy the IO I was missing. I wasn't going to use Hero/villain rewards because those are just higher valued items. I would rather buy some LOTG +recharge or Numi +regen +recharge IO then spend those points on a 50 million INF item. Again with all the toons and TF I can run I always have some merit laying around or just short of what I need that one TF run will give me what I need.

Anyway my whole point of this long drawn out babble was, it is just not one thing that is an issue. I think if a player could do a respec in minutes instead of hours it would help a bit with this frustration. Your just getting beat up from both ends so its not helping the cause when your snagged on the IO purchase and your respec is going to take up time to set up.

My answer to all this: SG storage

I simply dump my salvage into my SG base so that when I need it.. BOOM it is there.

I have three rooms: Common, Uncommon, and Rare...

I never understood why people join SGs and did not just create their own personal SG. All my friends and I have our own SGs, coalition with one another and all is well.

I cannot tell you the last time I had to buy salvage.... probably about 1.5 years ago. between storing and using the odd AE ticket to buy salvage it has not been a problem.

So before you go on a rant about how you can't do that etc etc... Being in a SG is your choice... Limiting your own personal storage capabilities is a choice...Needing salvage NOW is your choice... No one is making you buy salvage

@Fixxer:

Well speaking for myself my salvage needs significantly outweigh my salvage production, especially for low and mid level salvage (mostly due to working on Field Crafter). I stash some salvage away in base/vault but most of the time I buy it off the market either because I want it in larger quantities than I am likely to have in storage or to save myself the hassle of zoning into my base.

i buy most salvage for buy it nao prices since making inf is not that hard to get and i usually go + anyway.
When i started out i left low bids on salvage and managed to get it at lower prices.
Salvage moves really fast.