Enough of the solo/group warfare: We need more power proliferation!
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-02-08 14:40 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
If I had to limit myself to only two for Scrappers, I'd say gimmie these first:
Ice Armor
War Mace
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Brutes for Ice Armor first. :/
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
If I had to limit myself to only two for Scrappers, I'd say gimmie these first:
Ice Armor |
My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
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^^This^^
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Brutes for Ice Armor first. :/
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Never said you couldn't give Ice Armor to Stalkers and Brutes either. |
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Brutes for Ice Armor first. :/
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I just want to make a Spines/Ice Scrapper nao!
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You're welcome to it.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Brutes for Ice Armor first. :/
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Ninjas please.
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If Scrappers got Ninjitsu, I'd be able to make the DB/Nin I've always wanted to create. |
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
You're welcome to it.
Ninjas please. |
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Martial Arts for Blaster secondary please! Every time I fight Maelstrom I punch him extra hard for being allowed to have it when I can't.
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Yes.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
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sr and regen for tanks too!
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I'd remake Infinite Ammo if I could have a Martial Arts secondary. |
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Martial Arts for Blaster secondary please! Every time I fight Maelstrom I punch him extra hard for being allowed to have it when I can't.
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I'm making do with Energy Melee for my Malta guy but it's just not the same.
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How about axe to stalkers. Nothing says an assassin attack like an axe to the back!
I'm not sure what to think about Ninjitsu ever going to non-Stalker archetypes, since the function of the Stalker secondary--although violated since CoV day 1--is fine-tuned for the behavior of that one archetype.
Stalkers are meant to be the melee equivalent of Blasters: higher damage per attack than anyone else. In order for this to be pulled off successfully, the Stalker needs to be able to get in close without being blown away at a distance (hence Hide), and must be able to sustain a fair amount of attacks to get the job done (hence the defensive powers).
I suspect Ninjitsu was the first Stalker secondary created, because it's more geared to being mitigative rather than defensive. It's got some Defense toggles, a self heal and a crapmode power, but it also has something not characteristic of traditional defensive secondaries: AoE control.
From a mitigative standpoint, Ninjitsu is awesome because it's not only dodgy to begin with, but entire groups of enemies can be slowed down, placated or blinded/confused. The other three melee archetypes are more in-the-fray: they don't rely on stealth or mitigation, but more on sheer durability so they can go from group to group without employing any real level of field tactics.
Stalkers are denied damage auras. Ever wonder why that is? It's part of the Stalker design. Even Energy Aura gives Stalkers a PBAoE repel toggle. If any Stalker can successfully use that in combat, I'll buy a hat so I can take it off. Point is, though, the power was selected for its mitigative properties as a replacement for the auto smashing/lethal resist power.
I suspect Dark Armor came next, because the set is largely mitigative to begin with, albeit in an entity-centric way. Between the fear, stealth and stun, it fits right at home in the Stalker arsenal. For this reason, I can see Ninjitsu maybe going to Scrapper, but not Tanker or Brute.
Besides, I still have to laugh at the thought of Tanker--the archetype that's specifically designed to hold aggro--gaining access to an AoE placate.
At this point, I'm guessing the Stalker designer took a step back and said "Hey, porting that defensive set was easy. Let's do it for some others like Super Reflexes and Regeneration," and the rest was history: Stalkers received strictly defensive secondary powersets rather than the mitigative ones that they should have gotten.
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I've been longing for "Executioner's Axe" for a long time now...
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Originally Posted by Mylia
How about axe to stalkers. Nothing says an assassin attack like an axe to the back!
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Both Super Reflexes and Regen predate Dark Armor for Stalkers. CoV launched with: Regen, SR, Ninjitsu, & Energy Aura. Dark Armor was added in Issue 7.
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
I suspect Dark Armor came next, because the set is largely mitigative to begin with, albeit in an entity-centric way. Between the fear, stealth and stun, it fits right at home in the Stalker arsenal. For this reason, I can see Ninjitsu maybe going to Scrapper, but not Tanker or Brute.
... At this point, I'm guessing the Stalker designer took a step back and said "Hey, porting that defensive set was easy. Let's do it for some others like Super Reflexes and Regeneration," and the rest was history: Stalkers received strictly defensive secondary powersets rather than the mitigative ones that they should have gotten. |
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no ss for scrappers?...tell us what you did with evilgeko NOW.
oh and dark assault is something id love for dom, that and them finally figuring out how to put together a dark control set. with gw supposedly being the dom patron, having her powers entirely dissimilar to playable doms seems silly.
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Maybe they could be unlocked by doing a new 37 team raid?
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
PLEASE DEVS FOR ISSUE 20 Blasters -- Dark Blast/Dark Manipulation (Dark Melee reworked) Controllers -- Pain Domination and Poison Defenders -- Fire Blast/Thermal Scrappers -- Mace and Axe/Ninjitsu Tankers -- Broadsword/Energy Aura (More Pretty; More strong) Brutes -- Broadsword/Regen Corruptors -- Psionic Blast/Empathy Dominators -- ILLUSION/Dark Assault Masterminds -- Sonic Resonance/Cold Domination Stalkers -- Ice Melee/Ice Armor |
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dont suggest that for gek, he will petition for that.
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Not going to happen. Spines/Regen first por favor.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Brutes for Ice Armor first. :/
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TO THE END!Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!
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... SPINES/ICE I say!
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
Not going to happen. Spines/Regen first por favor.
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My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
I think Scrappers will sooner get Ice Armor and Melee than Axe, Mace, or Ninjitsu.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
Definitiely Nin & EA for scrappers.. and PLEASE PLEASE SUPER STRENGTH FOR SCRAPPERS!!!!
Next...
2) Ice/Ice for Stalkers
3) SR for Tanks
4) DARK CONTROL/DARK ASSAULT for DOMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Illusion, pfft)
5) Thermal/Fire Defenders
6) Poison for Corrs
7) Stone sets for Stalkers please? (think about it....'out of the shadows... ASSASSIN'S BOULDER!!!')
"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
At this point, I'd just like to know that further proliferation is planned. I do have my own particular hopes for proliferation, but I'd like some sort of sign that proliferation hasn't been dropped for the next shiny as it seems so many things have been.
However, speaking more positively:
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Dominators
-- ILLUSION |
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
PLEASE DEVS
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We need more costume proliferation!
PLEASE DEVS FOR ISSUE 20
Magic PackPLEASE DEVS FOR ISSUE 20
-- Baron/Occult Outfit parts (boots, cape, gloves, robe, hat) for females
-- Renegade hat & Skull mask for females
-- Witch hats & boots for men
-- Magic bolero for men
Martial Arts Pack
-- Quin Dynasty hair for females
-- Warrior belt in other tops
Mutant Pack
-- Organic Armor parts added to "with skin" (tops, bottoms, gloves, boots)
-- Bioluminescent parts added to non with skin categories (tops, bottoms, gloves, boots)
Others
-- Cigars for females (from male category)
-- Cornrows for females (from male category)
-- Tattoos on shoulders/arms (from male category)
-- Bridal top added to non "with skins" category
-- Villain Epic Archtypes customization (widow claws & powers)
with apologies to geko for stealing his format
Djeannie's Costume Creator Overhaul Wishlist
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"Once the avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote" -Kosh
Blasters
-- Dark Blast/Dark Manipulation (Dark Melee reworked)
Controllers
-- Pain Domination and Poison
Defenders
-- Fire Blast/Thermal
Scrappers
-- Mace and Axe/Ninjitsu
Tankers
-- Broadsword/Energy Aura (More Pretty; More strong)
Brutes
-- Broadsword/Regen
Corruptors
-- Psionic Blast/Empathy
Dominators
-- ILLUSION/Dark Assault
Masterminds
-- Sonic Resonance/Cold Domination
Stalkers
-- Ice Melee/Ice Armor
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.