Problem with the very rare Alpha


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So far on the EU servers, the VERY large majority [myself included by the way] have missed the scroll bar on the very rare creation tab and been asking in the global channels is the only way to make the very rare by creating just those two certain rares.

The scroll bar is far too easy to miss and if it wasnt for the global channels, a lot of us wouldnt have been able to find out we can actually create any of the rares to get to the very rare. So for the sake of actually having to say it everyday, can you make the scroll bar a tiny bit bigger or a different colour please?

Much thanks

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Ugh, yes. Scroll bars in this game have always been easy to miss. Until they fix it, feel free to point people to the flowchart in my sig. It's crystal clear!



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And break the already strange interface? TBH i had no issues with it, then again if you arent used to scrolling/resizing stuff ingame (or do it on a regular basis) then i can see why it would happen...


 

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The scroll bar has to be tiny, because of all the recipes in that list!


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Perhaps a change to the default size of the window so it increases part of the next recipe on the initial view.

Just something to poke out at people that "Hey there are more!".


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Or some sort of mouse over pop up that shows people.

One of the main problems too is getting to that bar, since its all the way over there >> and it took me a couple of goes to get to the damn thing before I relised i could click on the very rare then go over there with easy.

Sounds silly, but since theres no GUI appearance for it being clicked itwould seem clicking on it does nothing at first.


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Sounds silly, but since theres no GUI appearance for it being clicked itwould seem clicking on it does nothing at first.
It's subtle, but the box around the Ability in question turns white.


 

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Having the recipes collapse just like invention recipes would probably be the best option, I think.


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The web-page version of the tree is helpful, but it is also misleading. The lines from the Rare slots to the Very Rare slots clearly suggest that the Very Rares require the two Rares directly above them. This is not the case.


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Red
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I dunno, it says "Any 2 Rare" in which case to me the only misleading part is that the any two rare have to be apart of the same "set" or what ever you'd like to call them.


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It not only says "any two rare", it shows lines linking the slots. Compare those lines on the web page to the ones in the in-game crafting window.

The ones on the web page show a link only between the Radial Rares and the Radial Very Rare, and the Core Rares and the Core Very Rare. The clear implication I take from that is that a Core Very Rare can only be crafted by having both Core Rares, which would be wrong.

The fact that it is drawn that way and says "any two rares" is not only doubly misleading, it's self contradictory.


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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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This misleading info from the in game incarnate diagram and the website caused me to create a 3rd tier that will not get me to the 4th tier that I want. I suggest that the devs address this immediately.

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It not only says "any two rare", it shows lines linking the slots. Compare those lines on the web page to the ones in the in-game crafting window.

The ones on the web page show a link only between the Radial Rares and the Radial Very Rare, and the Core Rares and the Core Very Rare. The clear implication I take from that is that a Core Very Rare can only be crafted by having both Core Rares, which would be wrong.

The fact that it is drawn that way and says "any two rares" is not only doubly misleading, it's self contradictory.


 

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This misleading info from the in game incarnate diagram and the website caused me to create a 3rd tier that will not get me to the 4th tier that I want. I suggest that the devs address this immediately.
Any Rare should get you towards the Very Rare in the same tree equally well. Did you scroll down the list of Very Rare recipes in the crafting interface? It's an annoyingly discreet scroll bar, unfortunately.


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AFAIK you cannot use 2 of the *same* rare to make a very rare.


 

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Really that's only because the game doesn't let you actually make two of the same Alpha power.


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Originally Posted by Incenerater View Post
This misleading info from the in game incarnate diagram and the website caused me to create a 3rd tier that will not get me to the 4th tier that I want. I suggest that the devs address this immediately.
Agreeing with other folks that I'm not sure that any reasonable interpretation of what they have given us would lead to that. Make sure you've scrolled down in the crafting window. There are four different "recipes" for each Very Rare slot - one for each combination of the two Rares in that same tree (Cardiac, Spiritual, etc.).

The only way you can have made a Rare which will not get you the Very Rare you wanted is to create a Rare from a completely different tree. (You can't use a Cardiac Rare to create a Spiritual Very Rare.)


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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU View Post
AFAIK you cannot use 2 of the *same* rare to make a very rare.
You can't make a second copy of the same Alpha power anyway (unless you consume it to make a higher-tier power in the same tree).


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I'm still a little foggy on the process.

If I have Spiritual Radial, I can create the Partial and Total revamps but choose to equip either, correct? When I create the top tier, it will consume both of them?


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I'm still a little foggy on the process.

If I have Spiritual Radial, I can create the Partial and Total revamps but choose to equip either, correct? When I create the top tier, it will consume both of them?
correct


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I'm still a little foggy on the process.

If I have Spiritual Radial, I can create the Partial and Total revamps but choose to equip either, correct? When I create the top tier, it will consume both of them?
Right. Two rares, a component, and a Notice of the Well to make an ultra-rare.


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I like the Incarnate system, but the interface is HORRID HORRID HORRID!!!!!!

How can such an important part of the end game get so little attention? It's like a variant on the normal Enhancement slotting (which works well) but it's as though it's been deliberately borked to look awful and act very clunky.



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Right. Two rares, a component, and a Notice of the Well to make an ultra-rare.
A Favor of the Well, not a Notice of the Well. You construct a Favor of the Well using two Notices of the Well and 32 shards.


 

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I don't get it O.o

The scroll bar is the same as the ones in salvage, recepie, powers windows etc.
It wasn't hard to miss for me, and i play at 75% ui scale :|


And simple logic would tell you that they would allow for all six possible combinations.