Issue 19: Strike Pack - Patch notes for build 1950.201101250108.0
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-01-27 11:45 in The Global Training Room Test Server
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When he said "Incarnate Trials" he was in fact addressing the concern for solo players and how they would get their components, so I think the "Incarnate Trials" will probably just be a very tough story arc (or two, or more) that can be completed by a solo player.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
In the same paragraph Black Scorpion said Trials. Trials in this game are not solo content.
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The idea (in terms of story anyway) that becoming an incarnate would REQUIRE teaming seems self-defeating to the way the initial introduction arc to the alpha slot played out.
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Grin. I am happily leveling up my Mace/Shield brute, and Fire/Shield scrap... Won't hear any "Devs hate us" from me this time |
Originally Posted by Xzero45
Sounds really fun. Can't wait to see the Rare/Very Rare stuff.
Also, in before the "Devs hate us! TEAMS!" rage. |
I am going to trust in our Devs to bring us soloers a bit of love in issue 20 or a little beyond.
And so I am able to be happy and excited for all the teamers out there
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Respectfully, you're wrong, and I think you don't know what you're talking about.|
Originally Posted by Chymerus
I think the "Incarnate Trials" will probably just be a very tough story arc (or two, or more) that can be completed by a solo player
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Are these top two tiers even necessary right now? Seems like folks can complete the Incarnate TFs just fine without getting them. So what do they add now that you couldn't just as well get if you waited for I20?
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They aren't needed at all - even the Tier 2 isn't needed - all you need to access the Incarnate content is the Alpha alot and a Tier 1 enahancement - just 12 Shards, and you're all set to go.
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Originally Posted by Rubberlad
Are these top two tiers even necessary right now? Seems like folks can complete the Incarnate TFs just fine without getting them. So what do they add now that you couldn't just as well get if you waited for I20?
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Go where and do what?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
They aren't needed at all - even the Tier 2 isn't needed - all you need to access the Incarnate content is the Alpha alot and a Tier 1 enahancement - just 12 Shards, and you're all set to go.
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What's the value add to the player if the top three tiers of the a slots aren't necessary to succeed on the current Incarnate Tfs?
In other words, why should I bother when what I've got is already sufficient?
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Just like nobody uses invention sets because SOs are sufficient? |
Originally Posted by Rubberlad
Go where and do what?
What's the value add to the player if the top three tiers of the a slots aren't necessary to succeed on the current Incarnate Tfs? In other words, why should I bother when what I've got is already sufficient? |
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Pfft. TOs should be good enough for everyone (and you should leave every other slot empty)!|
Originally Posted by Dispari
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But yeah, much like IOs, the higher tier Alpha Powers aren't *needed*, but they're available if you enjoy making your characters more powerful. If you don't find that meaningful, then by all means feel free to skip them. There are many others that feel differently.
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So you assure us that we will never see:|
Originally Posted by Rubberlad
Go where and do what?
What's the value add to the player if the top three tiers of the a slots aren't necessary to succeed on the current Incarnate Tfs? In other words, why should I bother when what I've got is already sufficient? |
"raid X forming: level shift +2 only (no stalkers) PST"
Because we all know this will become the norm.
(Maybe not the stalker part)
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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Ok that's a fair answer. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something more obvious.|
Originally Posted by Stargazer
Pfft. TOs should be good enough for everyone (and you should leave every other slot empty)!
But yeah, much like IOs, the higher tier Alpha Powers aren't *needed*, but they're available if you enjoy making your characters more powerful. If you don't find that meaningful, then by all means feel free to skip them. There are many others that feel differently. |
Thanks.
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Just like people right now say "LRSF forming: at least one page of IO bonuses required"|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
So you assure us that we will never see:
"raid X forming: level shift +2 only (no stalkers) PST" Because we all know this will become the norm. (Maybe not the stalker part) |
*sigh* No. Only bad/deluded players will be doing this. The same ones that insist they HAVE to have a Granite Tanker and Kinetics Defender to run newspapers.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I do see people asking for "IO slotted" only runs now and then on freedom.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
Just like people right now say "LRSF forming: at least one page of IO bonuses required"
*sigh* No. Only bad/deluded players will be doing this. The same ones that insist they HAVE to have a Granite Tanker and Kinetics Defender to run newspapers. |
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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Wishful thinking. I can also tell that you didn't even bother reading Black Scorpion's post:|
Originally Posted by Chymerus
When he said "Incarnate Trials" he was in fact addressing the concern for solo players and how they would get their components, so I think the "Incarnate Trials" will probably just be a very tough story arc (or two, or more) that can be completed by a solo player.
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Originally Posted by Black Scorpion
Hey again, Black Scorpion here to expound a little bit more on the Strike Pack.
The Weekly Strike Target is the only means of obtaining rare and very rare Alpha Slot abilities before Issue 20. We understand that this means grouping. The addition of the WST will make finding a group for the focused content easier; we believe that people will run the WST multiple times, either to earn the badge or to earn the increased rewards on multiple characters, or even just because it will be easier to find a group for it. Also, to get yourself a single rare ability and earn the level shift will only require running the WST once, and to get a very rare ability it will only take two additional runs. If that’s not your cup of tea, the Incarnate Trials in Issue 20 are going to be an alternative means of obtaining the same abilities. We are investigating a variety of strategies for the solo player to engage the system as well in the future. No one is more excited than I about the excitement concerning the Alpha Slot and the Incarnate system, and we want to offer more ways for people to participate and enjoy the content they love. On the other claw, sometimes in developing a massively multiplayer game we are going to have content which encourages and rewards multiplayer play. Your bud in the Incarnate-powered armor, Black Scorpion |
He doesn't say that the Incarnate Trials are solo, and he goes on in a separate paragraph saying that they are investigating strategies for solo players. Separate paragraphs for separate thoughts. Additionally, he reinforces that there is no single player strategy (yet).
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Originally Posted by Chymerus
The idea (in terms of story anyway) that becoming an incarnate would REQUIRE teaming seems self-defeating to the way the initial introduction arc to the alpha slot played out.
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For the same reason that people bother with IO sets and purples, which, just like Alpha Tiers 2, 3 and 4, are also totally optional.
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Originally Posted by Rubberlad
Go where and do what?
What's the value add to the player if the top three tiers of the a slots aren't necessary to succeed on the current Incarnate Tfs? In other words, why should I bother when what I've got is already sufficient? |
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I think therein lies your problem.|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
I do see people asking for "IO slotted" only runs now and then on freedom.
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Seriously, that's messed up odd, but a nice way to proceed is to just /gignore them. I must ask though, are they asked for Uncommon Alpha slots now to run stuff besides Apex or Tin mage, or even for those two. There will always be those who want to apply the least effort forward to do content. It kinda sucks, but prolly best not to worry about them.
I will say, though, Level Shifts are pretty powerful [when they don't crash the server] in terms of apparent power. It's a bit more 'obvious' and easier to scale when you see 50 (+1) as opposed to counting the powers on their player_info.
However, at least on Virtue, I doubt it'll be that great of a problem. I've regularly done LGTFs and ITFs with people that were < 50 anyway.
Let's Dance!
I've seen a few people on Virtue say something to the effect of "IO slotted toons preferred", but all of the time they were recruiting specifically for speedruns, and not just regular TF teams.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Incarnate content is not solo content.
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Sweetie, Incarnate content is "Solo" content as well, until this pre issue of incarnate 19.5. Till 19.5 you could solo your way all the way.
Stormy
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And you should be grateful for people like this. They allow you to avoid them without having to join their team. |
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
So you assure us that we will never see:
"raid X forming: level shift +2 only (no stalkers) PST" Because we all know this will become the norm. (Maybe not the stalker part) |
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The $64 question of course is "was pre-19.5 Incarnate content soloable because ALL Incarnate content was INTENDED to be soloable or was it soloable prior to 19.5 just as a happy albeit grindy coincidence?"|
Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
Sweetie, Incarnate content is "Solo" content as well, until this pre issue of incarnate 19.5. Till 19.5 you could solo your way all the way.
Stormy |
I might be mistaken but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it was mostly just a coincidence.
Obviously only the Devs know that for sure. *shrugs*
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The terminals could be used to list all zone events as well -- if you log on when there's a Rikti invasion in progress there's no way to tell where it is unless someone says where it is. The event chat messages go out once when it starts, and if you're not around for them you never get them.
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Originally Posted by Texarkana
They should have put the long-defunct information terminals to use for announcing what the Weekly TF is, since they're all over the place. Slightly more thematic...but nice turnaround time.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I've just murdered ten Council Soldiers. Hundreds more will die if I don't get a Strike Target tonight.
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Holy Boop, they did it.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...50#post3460650
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