Batman Beyond was beyond (heheh) a doubt my favorite of all the various DC animated productions and it is a shame that it wasn't better developed or applied more broadly.
(and, what is the point of the question exactly? easy to retconned any mirror universe/timeline explanation you want in comicdom)
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Tim Drake, obviously not while Robin, somehow still get caught and becomes a split personality for the Joker.
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I think he's referring to the new Batman Beyond Comic series launched this month rather than the Animated show: http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/10...ng-in-january/|
Originally Posted by Chyll
Batman Beyond was beyond (heheh) a doubt my favorite of all the various DC animated productions and it is a shame that it wasn't better developed or applied more broadly.
(and, what is the point of the question exactly? easy to retconned any mirror universe/timeline explanation you want in comicdom) |
I agree about Batman Beyond being one of the best DC animated productions. I also keep in mind that it's continuity was written long before the currently on-going Batman stories were even thought of. So deviations from the Batman Beyond continuity and the on-going stories, such as Batman Inc., are largely to be expected.
However, this is DC, and when all else fails, there's the RetCon Cannon.
Which hopefully will render Batman Inc. into a rubbish bin.
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Oh. Thanks. I had completely missed that, having stopped following comics a while ago. May be worth checking out.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
I think he's referring to the new Batman Beyond Comic series launched this month rather than the Animated show: http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/10...ng-in-january/
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R.I.P.
Chyll - Bydand - Violynce - Enyrgos - Rylle - Nephryte - Solyd - Fettyr - Hyposhock - Styrling - Beryllos - Rosyc
Horryd - Myriam - Dysquiet - Ghyr
Vanysh - Eldrytch
Inflyct - Mysron - Orphyn - Dysmay - Reapyr - - Wyldeman - Hydeous
Well...
what is part of cannon is supposedly the 6 issue 2010 miniseries and the new 2011 ongoing series...
However, it is considered that because these series, pretty much imply that they continue on from the previous 1999 BB volumes and those continue on from that animated series that the whole rest of the frame work is also more or less cannon...
At best/worst... the events of the animated series and the 1999 volumes are semi cannon where if they aren't contradicted then they have happened in some way... kinda like how even though Dick Grayson has never been Robin at any place in the cannon writings in modern age it is never disputed so its assumed most if not all the adventures of the pre-80s happened...
Honestly, I wouldn't consider the new BB series "canon" in regards to the current Bat-family comics. I see it more as picking up where the cartoon left off (or really, as you said Durakkan, the 1999 comics), and thus being an entirely different universe. They'd really have to stretch it to fit the new BB series in with Batman Inc., Batman and Robin, Red Robin, and Batgirl as they are now. The best analogy I can think of is how Spider-man 2099 would probably relate to Amazing Spider-man as it is now. While I never read those comics from back then, I'm sure there's plenty that has changed between when those two series came out and how ASM stands today to where any future Spidey 2099 series would have a hard time fitting in (assuming it would pick up where the first series left off).
Your predictions for the characters are probably the most logical and likely to happen. My guess with Damien and Stephanie, I see the former leaving the Bat-family to take over the Al Gul family dealings and probably gets himself killed in the process (since Talia shows up in the BB animated series). Stephanie may just leave and start to live a normal life whenever it is Barb and the others have their falling out with Bruce.
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The future is always in a state of flux. It only becomes evident when a time traveler goes back in time and accidentally squashes a butterfly to realize they completely screwed over history. One of The Simpsons' halloween specials was also a good indication of mediocre events by the time traveler causing dire changes to the future.
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I enjoyed the Batman Beyond mini and I've read issue one of the ongoing. Enjoyed them so far.
The cartoon always left Dick Grayson's fate in question. In Return of the Joker, Barbara told Terry to "Look up Nightwing sometime, he's got stories." So we know Dick was alive and retired and likely very bitter toward Bruce.
When Barbara walked into the Batcave early in Batman Beyond and Terry freaked out at her being there, Barbara looked at her old costume and smiled and said "I see you sewed up the bullet holes". She later tells Terry that being partnered with great and of course also dropped the silent bombshell that she and Bruce were more then just costumed partners. She then states that for Bruce there was nothing but the street, nothing but the mission and that Bruce wouldn't or perhaps more accurately couldn't stop being Batman. So why did Barbara stop being Batgirl? We get an implication that she was shot up a bit, and also an implication that she got tired of being a costumed adventurer and couldn't keep up with Bruce's obsession.
Tim Drake: okay so he was turned into Joker 2.0 or Joker Beyond by the original Joker after Joker beat him, tortured him and brainwashed him, so we know why he retired. However even though Tim is now free of the Joker, I don't believe that the Joker is truly gone. For all the years that Tim lived as Joker 2.0 he got married and had a couple of kids......I wouldn't be surprised if Joker 2.0 prepped the kids to be new version of the Joker.
Still I consider the Batman Beyond comics to be canon with the Batman Beyond cartoon, but I don't see them as being the canon future for Bruce in the comics.
Unless it has been expressely stated by DC elsewhere, I expect Batman Beyond to be purely a future for the Animated Series that ran before it. It's part of what was the DCAU and a separate continuity. Trying to tie it into the comic continuity (currently running the Batman Inc. story arc) really doesn't fit.
The DCU Terry McGinnis in Batman #700 may well not end up with the same story as the DCAU spawned version, key characters would be different due to chronology.
As far as canon goes, I see it more as an Earth B than an Elseworlds.
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Well...
what is part of cannon is supposedly the 6 issue 2010 miniseries and the new 2011 ongoing series... However, it is considered that because these series, pretty much imply that they continue on from the previous 1999 BB volumes and those continue on from that animated series that the whole rest of the frame work is also more or less cannon... At best/worst... the events of the animated series and the 1999 volumes are semi cannon where if they aren't contradicted then they have happened in some way... kinda like how even though Dick Grayson has never been Robin at any place in the cannon writings in modern age it is never disputed so its assumed most if not all the adventures of the pre-80s happened... |
Per the writer, well let's let Wiki do the heavy lifting:
Penned by Adam Beechen, a non-DCAU Batman television writer, he says his comic book arc will open the door for the "legendary" DCAU to enter into the mainstream DC Universe (comics), tying into both continuities. The series takes place after McGinnis defeated the reborn Joker, picking up where Bruce Timm initially left off, but years before Terry learns that he shares Bruce Wayne's DNA.
Folks should also make sure to read the Superman / Batman Annual #4 as it is a BB story.
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The fact that Terry is the son of Bruce was pretty much a no brainer. I figured that was the case when the cartoon first started. Didn't expect Amanda Waller to have a hand in it though.
The current Batman Beyond comic that's running still takes place in the DCAU (Earth-12 I think?). The Earth-1 Terry is fairly different, as Damien acts as his mentor instead of Bruce.
Hm, I wonder if Batman's encounter with Owlman in Crisis on Two Earths is what helped inspire him to begin upgrading his gear and build the batsuit that would be passed to Terry in Batman Beyond? Owlman was wearing an exosuit that boosted his own strength and speed and his weapons were a bit better then Bruce's.
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Where do you get that information. I've never seen Damian as Terri's Mentor... in fact the in cannon mentor shown is Bruce, not Damian, and he is sayng "they're starting to get it" and it's implied tha Bruce is talking about not only Terri, but Damian and Dick.
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Originally Posted by LunarKnight
The current Batman Beyond comic that's running still takes place in the DCAU (Earth-12 I think?). The Earth-1 Terry is fairly different, as Damien acts as his mentor instead of Bruce.
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Question! When does Terry appear in the comics as part of Earth-1? I must find this comic!!!
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Originally Posted by Night-Hawk07
Question! When does Terry appear in the comics as part of Earth-1? I must find this comic!!!
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In Batman #700 (June 2010), Terry McGinnis is included in the one off as a part of the DC Universe AU presented, having a history with Damian Wayne, who rescued him as Batman from Two-Face-Two when he was held hostage as an infant. Two-Face-Two believed Terry McGinnis was one of a pair of twin boys who were the sons of billionaires rather than Warren and Mary McGinnis. Two-Face-Two transformed Terry into a miniature duplicate of the Joker with the Joker's toxin. Damian administers the antidote after he rescues Terry. And in the following page a teenaged McGinnis is seen behind the Batman cowl, battling the resurrected Joker, with Damian as his mentor, instead of Bruce.
Superman/Batman Annual #4 (2010) is a single over-sized issue featuring Terry McGinnis' Batman. Author Paul Levitz penned the story, with experience collaborating with Paul Dini and Alan Burnett in the past. It picks up after Superman's first meeting with the new Batman taking place in the DCAU, and supposedly jibing with the DCU
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Thanks. I know the second one cause I have it, but didn't think about it as I just put it in with the rest of the BB comics (which to me are part of the DCAU, not the comics).
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Originally Posted by Nericus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Beyond#Comics
In Batman #700 (June 2010), Terry McGinnis is included in the one off as a part of the DC Universe AU presented, having a history with Damian Wayne, who rescued him as Batman from Two-Face-Two when he was held hostage as an infant. Two-Face-Two believed Terry McGinnis was one of a pair of twin boys who were the sons of billionaires rather than Warren and Mary McGinnis. Two-Face-Two transformed Terry into a miniature duplicate of the Joker with the Joker's toxin. Damian administers the antidote after he rescues Terry. And in the following page a teenaged McGinnis is seen behind the Batman cowl, battling the resurrected Joker, with Damian as his mentor, instead of Bruce. Superman/Batman Annual #4 (2010) is a single over-sized issue featuring Terry McGinnis' Batman. Author Paul Levitz penned the story, with experience collaborating with Paul Dini and Alan Burnett in the past. It picks up after Superman's first meeting with the new Batman taking place in the DCAU, and supposedly jibing with the DCU |
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I've heard pretty bad things about the Batman Beyond comic, (on /co/ mind) so I'm wary about it. At least if it does turn out a stinker it's easy to pretend it never happened.
Since noone answered... I had to go and look it up... mike Marts says it's Damian...
Does this make Terry and Damian Brothers? How does cloning and genesplicing effect the whole family dynamic?
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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
I've heard pretty bad things about the Batman Beyond comic, (on /co/ mind) so I'm wary about it. At least if it does turn out a stinker it's easy to pretend it never happened.
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As far as the story, the mini-series was cool, and so far the new ongoing series has at least started off good. The only thing (one other bad spot in the mini-series) is the Bruce vs. Terry "you're fired/I quit" crap gets old after a while, and the last half of the mini-series had that in it.We know it happens one more time when Terry finds out he's Bruce's son, but hopefully they don't do it anymore between now and then.
Durakken, as far as your question, I would say in the strictest sense yes Terry and Damien would be brothers. Actually more like half-brothers since they have different mothers.
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So, with Batman Beyond, at least some of it, entering into DCU cannon, how do you feel about the ultimate fates some of the characters we have seen...
Tim Drake, obviously not while Robin, somehow still get caught and becomes a split personality for the Joker.
Dick Grayson returns to his Night Wing role before Bruce makes a mistake and get him shot full of holes...at which point he retires.
Barbara Gordon has a massive falling out along with the others and becomes Gotham's Commissioner.
Something happens to Damian and Stephenie to make them no longer around and Wayne Enterprises may have fallen into the hands of someone else...
Does anyone accept these as the ultimate fates for the characters as they are now or do you feel this is just so outside of where things are heading at the moment that you can't accept it?
I think I come down on the latter side... These ultimate fates require all the characters to regress to an earlier period and then move on from there imo and as such it doesn't seem like these characters/stories can be considered cannon.