Different Dimensions...
I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
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there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
Um...there's two of them.
"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
Actually three of them.
"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
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Is this true? Really?
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Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Different Dimensions...
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Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
Is this true? Really?
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Reichsman
Tyrant (aka Marcus Cole)
All the same guy from different dimensions.
"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
In several dimensions, there exists a man Marcus Cole who finds and drinks from the Well of the Furies. The consequences differ.
- On Primal Earth, he goes on to become the hero Statesman, while his friend Stefan Richter becomes his foe Lord Recluse.
- On Praetorian Earth, he becomes Emperor Cole.
- On Axis Earth, he becomes the Reichsman, dictator of Axis Amerika and leader of the Fifth Column.
That said, it's not unreasonable for a Praetorian to have some distrust for any Marcus Cole they should happen to encounter.
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Don't think of them as literally the same person, think of them as twins. Twins are genetically identical, but each one has their own unique life experiences to draw upon, and many of them wind up completely different. It's entirely possible to adore Mary Kate and despise Ashley; just think of how easy it would be if the two grew up in entirely different dimensions. There's a good chance that although they superficially look alike, they wouldn't be very alike at all.
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Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
Help me!
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We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
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So when I leave Praetorian Earth I'm going to Primal Earth, yes?
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Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
In several dimensions, there exists a man Marcus Cole who finds and drinks from the Well of the Furies. The consequences differ.
- On Primal Earth, he goes on to become the hero Statesman, while his friend Stefan Richter becomes his foe Lord Recluse. - On Praetorian Earth, he becomes Emperor Cole. - On Axis Earth, he becomes the Reichsman, dictator of Axis Amerika and leader of the Fifth Column. That said, it's not unreasonable for a Praetorian to have some distrust for any Marcus Cole they should happen to encounter. |
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Yup.
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Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
So when I leave Praetorian Earth I'm going to Primal Earth, yes?
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"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
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Praetoria and Primal Earth are different dimensions that were basically identical with some divergences that widened rapidly early in the twentieth century.|
Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
Fact 1 - I just read the history timeline on the CoH website that says Marcus Cole is Statesman
Fact 2 - I have two toons in the GR content which were both planned out to be Heroes when leaving While leveling through Praetoria, I have come to dislike Marcus Cole. Even my Loyalist toon dislikes him. But with decision time fast approaching, how do I reconcile the fact that Marcus Cole (evil bad bad man!) is also Statesman (awesome Superhero)? I really don't want to be a villain, but unless I can pull some justification outta my tush, I'll be forced to do it. Help me! |
Marcus Cole of Praetoria is known as Emperor Cole and is also called Tyrant by some.
Marcus Cole of Primal Earth is widely known by the name Statesman.
There are many characters who have counterparts in both Praetoria and Primal Earth. Consider them as being sort of like identical twins that live in different dimensions. They may have started out nearly identical, but growing up in different worlds has made them into different people.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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Sweet, sweet justification.|
Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
Yup.
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Mmmmmm.....
Tastes like win.
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Although getting dropped into Axis Amerika would be cool too...
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Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
Sweet, sweet justification.
Mmmmmm..... Tastes like win. |
"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
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And thats fine too, because then I get to beat up Nazi's like Indiana Jones.|
Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
Although getting dropped into Axis Amerika would be cool too...
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I better have a whip
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Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
While leveling through Praetoria, I have come to dislike Marcus Cole.
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It was like blood in the water wasn't it?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Really?
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"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Really?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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The idea that Praetoria is a parallel (or mirror) dimension to the Primal Earth where the original City of Hero/Villains is based was the whole point of the Going Rogue expansion. The concept of parallel dimensions and/or "alternate earths" has been a staple of comic books almost as long as comic books have existed. |
Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
Is this true? Really?
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Emperor Marcus Cole of Praetoria is the classic study of what would happen if you let a civic-minded superhero like Statesman become so obsessed with the idea of imposing order and security over everyone that he effectively decided to establish a totalitarian government to better "protect and control" society. Strictly speaking Emperor Cole is not evil or a "villain" in the traditional sense, but he has imposed his will over his people to such an extent that he's basically forced everyone to give up their basic freedoms in exchange for his "enlightened protection". He's a comic book version of an Orwellian Big Brother.
If you want your characters to be heroes when they go to Primal Earth then it makes the most sense for them to be playing through the Resistance arcs in Praetoria first. There's no real right or wrong way to do it, but as far as the game is organized Loyalist=Villain and Resistance=Hero. You can tell that via many hints in the game not the least of which is the artwork used by the Agent of Praetoria and True to the Last badges - Loyalists get the red arachnos symbol and Resistance gets the blue star. But if you want a Loyalist to become a Primal hero just come up with a good RP reason why that's the case. Like I said there's no real right or wrong way to play it.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
The idea that Praetoria is a parallel (or mirror) dimension to the Primal Earth where the original City of Hero/Villains is based was the whole point of the Going Rogue expansion.
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GG's pedantic one-liners aside, it's really a game mechanic for rolling an AT to any side, not introducing new players to the City Of universe.
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But I showed them, and nobody's laughing at me now!
If I became a red name, I would be all "and what would you mere mortals like to entertain me with today, mu hu ha ha ha!" ~Arcanaville
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Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
And thats fine too, because then I get to beat up Nazi's like Indiana Jones.
I better have a whip |
They are pretty cool. . . One could even call them "cool wHip" attacks.
Stewie cool wHip
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- On Way Cool Earth, he becomes the lead guitarist of the Presley-Cline Band and their early 70s hit single, "Escalator to Valhalla" gets played so frequently on FM radio that a multidimensional entity known as Flalrgu notices and comes to Earth to investigate and accidentally eats the moon which, as you have surely guessed, really messes things up.
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Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
- On Primal Earth, he goes on to become the hero Statesman, while his friend Stefan Richter becomes his foe Lord Recluse.
- On Praetorian Earth, he becomes Emperor Cole. - On Axis Earth, he becomes the Reichsman, dictator of Axis Amerika and leader of the Fifth Column. |
Emperor Marcus Cole is the one true incarnation, the savoir of his world while all his inferior counterparts have failed theirs. Accept no extra-dimensional substitutes, citizen!
Perhaps your faith in Emperor Cole has been shaken after your sacrifices necessary to do your duty defending our utopian metropolis; perhaps your curiosity has been piqued about a world in which another version permits its inhabitants the "freedom" of choice. If you turn your back on Praetoria now and travel to Paragon City, you will witness firsthand what happens when a people have free will: They selfishly choose to destroy everything good and pure, or stand by and allow others to do so, since they are incapable of the superhuman sacrifice that is Emperor Cole's burden. Only the Emperor can be trusted with the choice of destruction because we can be certain that he will use it only to protect Praetoria and defeat its enemies, wherever they are to be found.
Paragon's self-styled Statesman just stands around by a dock at the crime-ridden Independence Port, naively entreating lesser heroes to fight his battles for him. Honestly, he might as well be fishing.
Wikipedia (and the Paragon Wiki) has some good reading on the subject of parallel universes in fiction. (They are also often referred to as parallel dimensions, or even just parallel Earths.) A nice plot device, but the concept stems partly from the possibility that parallel universes may really exist.
For a good example of what this means for well-established comics, see a list of Marvel's parallel universes with a brief description of each.
But City of Heroes shines in this respect, too. The game encompasses dozens of realities, not just parallel universes but also various planes of existence within each. The physical natures of these planes vary widely, from the Spirit World that Croatoa is partially submerged in, to the physical realm most of our characters call home, to the Pocket D (pocket dimension) created by DJ Zero's extreme reality-shaping powers.
The characteristics of the various universes also vary widely--see that last link for a list of known parallel universes in City of Heroes. I use the term "known" because, presumably, many others are out there, undiscovered. Also, many well-written AE arcs have taken the concept and ran with it.
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Originally Posted by Nylonus
Demon Summoning Master Minds get whip attacks.
They are pretty cool. . . One could even call them "cool wHip" attacks. Stewie cool wHip |
I thought stewie pronounced it "cool Hwip"?
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They are two different people. You know, like on the original Star Trek series - Spock was similar in both dimensions (and had the uber goatee) but Kirk was dramatically different. The alternate universe version was a nut job.|
Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
But with decision time fast approaching, how do I reconcile the fact that Marcus Cole (evil bad bad man!) is also Statesman (awesome Superhero)?
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(Not to be confused with the episode where Kirk was split into good and evil halves by the Transporter.
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Fact 1 - I just read the history timeline on the CoH website that says Marcus Cole is Statesman
Fact 2 - I have two toons in the GR content which were both planned out to be Heroes when leaving
While leveling through Praetoria, I have come to dislike Marcus Cole. Even my Loyalist toon dislikes him. But with decision time fast approaching, how do I reconcile the fact that Marcus Cole (evil bad bad man!) is also Statesman (awesome Superhero)? I really don't want to be a villain, but unless I can pull some justification outta my tush, I'll be forced to do it.
Help me!