Swinglines!

... though it's one of many /facepalm items in the game, which builds up an overall impression - and not a good one.

And the people using it are (a) typically using it in the middle of a city, where it's at least feasible it could "grapple" on something, and (b) tend to have other ways to get around as well. (jumping, driving, crawling on walls, flying a plane, etc.)

If it had that specific limitation? No issue. I wouldn't even argue if it managed to "detect" if it could swing, and swapped you over into not-quite-superjump when it couldn't. (Edit: Nebulous Form level "jumping" is what I'm thinking of.)

A natural what? Natural does not necessarily mean human. And origin itself has no particular meaning.

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Their dwindling population that has forced them to go F2P says it is one of the problems they are having.

The why is it they can't teleport on top of me if I'm standing under cover where their line of sight is blocked from their ships?

Wrong. I'm just an average player and it's stupid looking powers are one of the main reasons I rarely play the game even tho I have a lifetime sub. Furthermore being a participant in several different game forums I know for a fact that when that game gets brought up one of the reasons people give for quitting that game is the stupid looking powers.

More likely the game engine wasn't designed to allow it. Maybe in CoH2.

No, their problems was many things, but it wasn't because swinglines

And again, if you can use your imagination to say you're sinking down to bottom of the ocean to super jump out of the water, I see no reason to think you can't use your imagination for something like swingline mechanics.

My magic character summons magic henticles that attach to the sky to swing them across the landscape. There ya go. Swinging anywhere.

Who says you need to sink down to the bottom? Water can provide enough resistance for animals to push against and leap out of it to begin with. If it *didn't* provide resistance... you couldn't swim. As far as continuing? Enough velocity and the water may as well be a solid surface - unless you want to go with the 'skipping' theme, though that would still involve some degree of speed. (Apparently around 100 mph, in the case of a car.)

A "Swingline to nothing" would still look ridiculous.

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Oh please. I can't claim to be a fan of the game, but of the things that could be killing it, I doubt "swinglines work everywhere" would even be in the top 100. If you hate the power, that's fine, but claiming that it's actually killing an entire game is... well, sort of a PP thing to do, frankly.

Swinging where theres nothing to swing from is just one of the powers that looks silly and stupid when used in the wrong location. Another example is how a lot of their powers look silly when they are being used in underwater missions.

Where exactly did I ever say I hate the power? I said it looks silly and stupid in the wrong zones. That's a far cry from hate.

I didn't say that. I said it was one of the reasons the game was failing. One implies there are other that also contribute to the games failure.

I think I've been pretty consistant in my statements that it wasn't the only problem that game is having.

What PP does is say one thing and then a few weeks/months later she does a complete 180 and claims the opposite.

Like here where she told us she cancelled her LTS and got her money back.




And then told us that she kept her LTS because she didn't want to go to all the trouble to get it refunded.




And I haven't done any of that here.

This is the real reason why it will never happen

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Yeah, but they don't want to hear that. They'll dismiss it with the usual "Just because the devs said that doesn't make it true." argument or the "They said the same thing about power customisation." whine.

Well then, I have an entire word doc. page of facepalms and other expressions of my dissatisfaction with idiocy to post with extreme prejudice and glee

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Once again discussion of a swingline travel power in this game is essentially academic because the chances they'd be able to implement it (in any form) in this mature game is very remote.

But even if by some miracle they did add it to this game I would only want it to work by anchoring to real objects, not thin air. People who would claim that I'm not using my "imagination" hard enough to accept swinglines attached to nothingness need to step back, take a deep breath, and realize just how unreasonable that position is. Sure comic book worlds bend many real world physics rules, but they don't bend/break the rules for everything and this would be one of those things. If you can cite me an example of Spider-Man swinging across a mid-west cornfield or an ocean maybe I'd reconsider.

It's less unreasonable than the opposing position. In a recent episode of Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Wasp is incredulous at the prospective existence of aliens despite encountering magic, working alongside a mythical being, and regularly dealing with ridiculous science. All that other crazy stuff is perfectly acceptable, but aliens are right out. That's the opposing position in a nutshell. Incapable of accepting dimensional anchors or quantum grapnels in a world rife with superscience and magic. You can't have a super-scientific or magical swingline - that's solely the domain of everything else in the world; by Jove, if you're going to have a swingline it must operate purely on mundane mechanics and you nevermind all those people teleporting and flying about.

Swinglines that only attach to real objects are, realistically, probably the worst travel power imaginable. You can only use them if there happens to be a tall enough object, within range of whatever you have for a launcher, and IN THE DIRECTION you want to go. Plus, it has to be made out of something your Unobtanium grappling hook can actually stick to *and* be strong enough to bear your weight. Concrete buildings would deflect anything less than rocket-driven pitons, and half the buildings of any great height in the Rogue Isles are actually covered in smooth metal. Cinder block is very brittle, and I've shattered bricks just by dropping them when I've been helping my aunt with her garden. (She dry stacks red bricks to define the edges of the flowerbeds.) And that's not counting the possibility of accidentally hitting a window.

Frankly, "super science" and "Magi-tech" hooks that can apparently attach to nothing almost make more sense. I can think of several that are "serious" enough to at least compete with the Bat Grappling Hook, and that make as much sense as anything else in a setting where grown men run around in tights with their briefs on the outside of their clothes.

Stupid Science Skyhook 1: The hero discovers a way to generate stable portals, from any location, but other end is always in his lab, next to the machine that actually generates the effect. They're also limited to about two feet across. Aside from being useful for yelling through to get his shop assistant to hand him his lunch (which he forgot,) the inventor can't think of much this would be good for. Until it occurs to him to put something very large and very, very heavy next to the portal, and then invent a device capable of attaching and detaching to this object on command.

Ta-da! Every time he fires the skyhook, it activates the portal generator. The grappling hook hits the anchor block which is immediately on the other end of the portal, providing a stable anchor to an object which is both too large and too heavy to pull through the opening. (And is also close enough to the opening to keep the bad guys from crawling through into his lab. Although this does have the disadvantage of preventing his assistant from being able to use the portal to hand him his lunch. Which the hero has forgotten. Again.)

Stupid Science Skyhook 2: The inventor has discovered a way to generate a totally impenetrable force field, and to do so with a very very small device. The force field has several disadvantages though. First, it's totally immovable, relative to the surface of the most massive nearby object. (Which would normally be the surface of the planet.) Second, the forcefield is smaller than the device that projects it, or in this case about the size of a large marble. As a defensive item or a weapon, it's totally useless, but it makes a lovely pivot point for a skyhook.

Magic Skyhook: It's *magic.* Which mean, pretty much by definition, that it works despite any rational reason to the contrary.

As far as "looks stupid," that's an entirely subjective thing, and can be applied to many of the animations we've already got in the game. Masterminds are big offenders here, with "mundane" minions that appear out of thin air and soldiers that rappel down out of nothing. And robots that pop up out of the floor, and that take off on rocket boots from inside caves.

I can't give a link, but I pretty sure one of the Devs said it could be done but that it would either be a lot of work and really limited (redoing all the maps to add anchor points where it made sense for them to be) or it would look stupid (grapple to nowhere).

And if adding anchor points just where it makes sense is more work than the devs can justify doing, just imagine how much more work it would be to add anchor points to nowhere in every map of the game so players could swing everywhere.

Than tell me this, how is it that said fire tank can stand in a body of water WITH his shields still active? OH oh! Let's not forget the electric armor toon that steps in the water. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. Or how about epic battles taking place within office buildings with all the furniture being absolutely unphased by the battle. Oh, and my personal favorite, completing a mission, getting the next, and then viola! Your next mission is in the VERY same spot. How bizarre.

The point I'm trying to make here is that there are plenty of things in the game already that just looks silly or/and doesn't make any sense. Toons with weapons being the prime example of this. So using the "it looks silly" excuse is completely redundant. And no, I'm not bias; heck I couldnt care less if swinglines were implemented (sorry OP) but for goodness sake, can we please start thinking of ways how these suggestions could work INSTEAD of just why they can't.

A new zone?

In the latter case, why would you think they'd need anchor points at all? The whole idea of anchor points is to create a "whitelist" of places where swinging is allowed. If it's allowed everywhere then there's no need for them; the line simply goes up until it hits an object and/or reaches a predetermined distance or whatever. And just in case you were thinking it: No, by "simply" I do not mean that this would be easy to do, nor am I dismissing the possibility that swinging is technically unfeasible for other reasons.

I'm also still waiting to hear why swinging should be dismissed on the "looks silly" basis, yet all the equally-or-more-silly-looking uses of existing powers should get a free pass.

Because the devs already responded that it would be too much work and it would look stupid. Pretty much the same reason they gave for why we won't be getting an underwater zone.

So you guys can get mad at us all you want, call us unimaginative, whatever helps you vent your frustration. The devs already made up their minds on this.