Re: Sister Psyche and Manticore
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Amerikatt,
Posted on: 2010-11-18 08:19 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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You do realise you're neither cute nor funny when you say things like that, right?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Robots are not the same as living creatures
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Robots are not the same as living creatures
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Well, the truth isn't always cute or funny |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
You do realise you're neither cute nor funny when you say things like that, right?
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@Golden Girl
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"It isn't true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you cry." - R.A. Wilson and/or R. Shea
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, the truth isn't always cute or funny
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, the truth isn't always cute or funny
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Let's be honest here- we've all met some Americans who were NOT mentally handicapped, and perfectly nice, yet were completely unable to hold a coherent conversation with someone else on a detailed, multiple talking point topic. Ie: <removed> is brought up, you try to make arguments for either side- the other person, when asked how they feel about it sums up everything with a simple dogmatic statement in a blank stare- "<removed> is wrong!" without explaination as to why. They can't form a coherent argument for or against things. At best, they follow up with "because X (insert God, my momma, pundit name) said so!", or even better "It's just wrong!". They can't discuss an idea at a level beyond actual good/bad words, or discuss whys. I'm not making a caricature of my citizens. There are people THAT DIM. That hold normal lives, no mental handicaps. They just can't think critically, either because they don't know why they have to, or because they were raised not to. |
i can understand being utterly ignorant of developments in the real world regarding machine intelligence and how minds function, and even comic book conventions in that regard, but it's how GG proudly trumpets her total inability to provide any reasoning at all as proof of the correctness of her assorted faiths* that provides so much facepalm material in these threads. Hell, her assertions about machine intelligence contradict almost all relevant lore in the real and fictional, especially comic book fictional, worlds.
*If the only support you provide for a position comes down to "I know it's true because it just is" then your contribution to almost any discussion is noise with no signal. Also, believing something is true with no proof is the definition of faith.
...i'm stating the obvious again, aren't i?
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A machine can never have a soul - no matter how advanced a robot is, it's still always going to be a parody of a real person - it'll always lack the life spirit of genuine living creatures.
@Golden Girl
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Humans don't have a soul either, so what's your point?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
A machine can never have a soul - no matter how advanced a robot is, it's still always going to be a parody of a real person - it'll always lack the life spirit of genuine living creatures.
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"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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Then just what are humans? Other than a sack of meat and assorted base elements with insanely complex 'programming'? How do we not know that, in future, sentient machines complete with their own equivelants of souls might become a reality?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
A machine can never have a soul - no matter how advanced a robot is, it's still always going to be a parody of a real person - it'll always lack the life spirit of genuine living creatures.
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Heck; define what a soul is, other than a non-provable ideal?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Humans are special - they're higher than animals, just like animals are higher than any kind of robot.|
Originally Posted by Arilou
Humans don't have a soul either, so what's your point?
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A robot is nothing more than a computer.
@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Humans are special - they're higher than animals, just like animals are higher than any kind of robot.
A robot is nothing more than a computer. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Feel free to show me a robot that can do anything other than respond from a pre-selected set of responses
Machines can never have an imagination - they're too limited - the best they can ever do is respond to things based on the stuff we've programmed into them - they can never have emotions.
@Golden Girl
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Completly ignoring the 'possibilities of the future' part of the arguement, I see. It doesn't surprise me.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Feel free to show me a robot that can do anything other than respond from a pre-selected set of responses
Machines can never have an imagination - they're too limited - the best they can ever do is respond to things based on the stuff we've programmed into them - they can never have emotions. |
Put it this way; You prove that its utterly, 100% impossible for that to EVER happen...and I'll believe you.
Oh, and you still haven't pointed out what a Soul is. And how you prove it exists. And if humans even have one. Because their the biggest, amoral bunch of *******'s I've ever seen, personally... I'd say animals are more moral.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Humans could evolve wings in the future.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Completly ignoring the 'possibilities of the future' part of the arguement, I see. It doesn't surprise me.
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| Put it this way; You prove that its utterly, 100% impossible for that to EVER happen...and I'll believe you. |
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| Oh, and you still haven't pointed out what a Soul is. And how you prove it exists. And if humans even have one. Because their the biggest, amoral bunch of *******'s I've ever seen, personally... I'd say animals are more moral. |
A "sentient" robot is just the sci-fi version of an elf or a dwarf or a dragon - a made-up creature for story purposes only.
@Golden Girl
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It's something like THIS. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Oh, and you still haven't pointed out what a Soul is.
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People like you make the Vision cry.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
A machine can never have a soul - no matter how advanced a robot is, it's still always going to be a parody of a real person - it'll always lack the life spirit of genuine living creatures.
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Robots can't cry |
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People like you make the Vision cry.
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@Golden Girl
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See? You just made him cry again.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Robots can't cry
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Robophobe.
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I think robots are cute and funny - but people shouldn't really expect them to be like real humans |
Originally Posted by Scythus
Robophobe.
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@Golden Girl
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Y'know something, GG? Your scary. In a very, very unsettling way.
If you ever came to any position of power...say, President? I'd be the first to see you unelected...or forcibly removed. Because people like you should never be in positions like that. Honestly.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Any sufficiently advanced AI would be indistinguishable from biological intelligence.
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No it wouldn't - everything it said or did would be second-hand - it's be limited by what we programmed it to do.|
Originally Posted by RadDidIt
Any sufficiently advanced AI would be indistinguishable from biological intelligence.
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Humans have unlimited imagination, creativity and thouhgts - a robot would never get anywhere near our abilities - it'd just be a puppet.
@Golden Girl
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.......any sufficiently advanced AI would be indistinguishable from biological intelligence.
@Golden Girl
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