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Discussion: Issue 19 Launch Update

Airhammer

By Airhammer,
Posted on: 2010-11-17 24:10 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion

 

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People have got a serious case of mis-reading and possible entitlement issues, here.
so nothing new then, eh?

 

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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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People have got a serious case of mis-reading and possible entitlement issues, here.
Whereas others like to argue pointless semantics and use it as a chance to belittle folks. The fact is, a time frame was given, they failed to meet it. I wondered why they even gave such a time frame, and why anyone else was expecting them to meet it?

 

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Whereas others like to argue pointless semantics and use it as a chance to belittle folks. The fact is, a time frame was given, they failed to meet it. I wondered why they even gave such a time frame, and why anyone else was expecting them to meet it?

The bit that I emboldened is false!

In this case, the time frame given is a period of time that includes more than one day... It was either right before Thanksgiving or soon afterward!!

They have not failed to meet anything (Other than some absolutely false presumptions).

You keep posting this and multiple people have responded with the truth.
It is not semantics.
It is the truth.
So far, they are on pace for the late end of the time frame they gave.

@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

 

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To be more specific, they stated that they hoped to go live last week, unless there was a game-stopping bug, in which case they would go live after Thanksgiving.

This is exactly what happened.

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How big is our dev team?
As of the NYC M&G, total staff was about 70 people, according to Ghost Falcon. That includes people like Black Pebble...

 

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I just cant believe people are actually complaining about something that didnt come out on a date it was never promised to come out on...

unreal

The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.

If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-

 

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Thanks for the update, definitely work out the bugs. Can't wait for the launch this is a much needed update indeed. worth the wait for sure...

The Paragon Entertainment group are an awesome group of folks, thanks for all the hard work you guys put into City of Heroes and Villians. Nice new story line elements in going rogue.

 

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The bit that I emboldened is false!

In this case, the time frame given is a period of time that includes more than one day... It was either right before Thanksgiving or soon afterward!!

They have not failed to meet anything (Other than some absolutely false presumptions).

You keep posting this and multiple people have responded with the truth.
It is not semantics.
It is the truth.
So far, they are on pace for the late end of the time frame they gave.
Et voila ^

Theres semantics, and then there is people purposefully ignoring what is actually written and said to further their own 'rightness'
If it doesn't go live till December, then it will be late, and you shall be right. Until then, you are wrong. This is fact.

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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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I was wondering when this would launch. it is better to wait a bit and come out with a good product than release a product with a big bug right before a holiday. I have 3 words for this announcement.....


I can wait

 

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Et voila ^

Theres semantics, and then there is people purposefully ignoring what is actually written and said to further their own 'rightness'
If it doesn't go live till December, then it will be late, and you shall be right. Until then, you are wrong. This is fact.
I dunno, semantically speaking, it could come out in December 2021, its still after thanksgiving...

and all the "entitlement" issues have been running around since no slots for inherant fitness was announced. What i find amusing is its very familiar names on the entitlement side of "MOAR SLOTS!" arguing that they've been screwed over by i19 not releasing broken. Can they be that fussed if they arnt happy with inherant fitness?

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[*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*

 

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To be more specific, they stated that they hoped to go live last week, unless there was a game-stopping bug, in which case they would go live after Thanksgiving.

This is exactly what happened.



As of the NYC M&G, total staff was about 70 people, according to Ghost Falcon. That includes people like Black Pebble...
I really don't think that our dev team has the man,woman power or budget to meet the supply/demand for production.

I guess what I am getting at is scaling back expectations a bit and give that tiny dev team some breathing room.

I hope that doesn't come off as making excuses for mediocrity. I'm just trying to get some bearings on what could be considered reasonable expectations.

Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.

 

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Sorry if i missed part of the thread that explained this, but how do you know that they just decided to listen about the Khelds after the fact. You seem to have a lot of knowledge about the inner workings of the Dev teams progress.
Deduction my dear Watson.

Ok so they have been actually working on the Kheldians issue since he reported it some three months ago but never tripped over the fact that inherent fitness was the root of the problem where the fix for it would have been on that first test patch a week ago, not the faulty version and the critical searches to fix the problem ensuing...?

So either this means that they are inept OR they have been paying the guy lip service and not really looking into the problem much with many more things on their plate what with i19 and all.

My deductive reasoning tells me they didn't pay much mind to that particular beta player. They sure fixed it in a hurry once they realized the ramifications of that bug and had to readdress any stone left unturned to solve it, so I rule out inept.

What does it tell you? Inept or Ignored?

 

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Deduction my dear Watson.

Ok so they have been actually working on the Kheldians issue since he reported it some three months ago but never tripped over the fact that inherent fitness was the root of the problem where the fix for it would have been on that first test patch a week ago, not the faulty version and the critical searches to fix the problem ensuing...?

So either this means that they are inept OR they have been paying the guy lip service and not really looking into the problem much with many more things on their plate what with i19 and all.

My deductive reasoning tells me they didn't pay much mind to that particular beta player. They sure fixed it in a hurry once they realized the ramifications of that bug and had to readdress any stone left unturned to solve it, so I rule out inept.

What does it tell you? Inept or Ignored?
It tells me you don't know why and are making up whatever story you want.

 

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It tells me you don't know why and are making up whatever story you want.
Welcome to arguing with Championess. It's wasted words, her mind is made up that the Devs are useless and letting this game go to the americas.

 

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im very excited about I19. Just hope it lives up to my understanding of what it could be.

 

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im very excited about I19. Just hope it lives up to my understanding of what it could be.
Y'know, it is freely available to test, right this very second... You could pop on over to the test server and correct whatever misunderstandings you might still have.

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that you're insulting Sherlock Holmes and still don't have a clue.

so tiresome arguing with someone that's as stubborn as a mule.

So, we go from insulting Sherlock Holmes to insulting mules!!!


@Zethustra
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

 

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Deduction my dear Watson.

Ok so they have been actually working on the Kheldians issue since he reported it some three months ago but never tripped over the fact that inherent fitness was the root of the problem where the fix for it would have been on that first test patch a week ago, not the faulty version and the critical searches to fix the problem ensuing...?

So either this means that they are inept OR they have been paying the guy lip service and not really looking into the problem much with many more things on their plate what with i19 and all.

My deductive reasoning tells me they didn't pay much mind to that particular beta player. They sure fixed it in a hurry once they realized the ramifications of that bug and had to readdress any stone left unturned to solve it, so I rule out inept.

What does it tell you? Inept or Ignored?
Or it means they were aware of the bug, and trying to fix it without completely scrapping whatever code had been written for the previous version of Inherent Fitness. They were trying to correct the underlying problem, and whatever they were doing wasn't working. At some point, they either had to scrap the existing power, or someone came up with a different way to deal with the problem. Either way, the result was that they had to totally delete the version of the power that didn't work, and replace it with a completely different system that (from a player's point of view) does exactly the same thing.

I'm not even sure why I'm bothering to point this out though. There really doesn't seem to be any purpose in trying to discuss this with you, since you're clearly not listening to anyone who disagrees with you.

 

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Y'know, it is freely available to test, right this very second... You could pop on over to the test server and correct whatever misunderstandings you might still have.
Unless your European, of course. In which case the transfer tool is frakked.
Lucky us.

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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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I'm trying to listen to all of you guys but all you guys say back is nothing of any value. Perhaps if you provided something thought provoking that hasn't already been ruled out instead of calling someone a mule then yeah maybe it would be worth mulling over.

Well we do know that the bug was reported in the beginning of closed beta (Fact). That the one reporting the bug hardly got any cooperation throughout closed beta (Fact). There was more than just him that was upset it wasn't being looked into further (Fact). This is all fact from what has been discussed about what's been going on in closed beta, don't believe me? Venture over to the development forum and read some of the stuff, comprehension is still something that you will need so it may be best to just stay here and pretend.

So yes I DO know why inherent fitness wasn't the correct version. Because they failed to follow up with ALL of their beta players (i.e. ignored). And it didn't really make sense for you guys to keep saying that they HAVE been working on his issue dilligently because if they really had all of these 3 months they might have figured something out about how inherent fitness was messing things up with everyones inherents which would mean that they just are inept at figuring their software out. Or if they HAD been aware of the problem with inherent fitness and just were too stubborn to put the right fix to it why then in the week since the first patch to open testing and the week later had they gone into overdrive soliciting information from everyone that played the dom and kheldian ATs? If they HAD known the root of the problem they would have already known to change the way inherent fitness was with alll of the compiled information they SHOULD have had from their dom and kheldians they really weren't listening much to.

Your guy's defense or rebuttle, if you can call it that, has more holes in it than swiss cheese, better stick to calling me a mule.

Oblivious is as oblivious does.

 

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Unless your European, of course. In which case the transfer tool is frakked.
Lucky us.
That doesn't keep you from testing. It certainly limits the rate at which you can test and makes things more of a headache for you (which is, truly, very unfortunate), but it in no way blocks you from doing so.

I understand what you're saying, though. If I couldn't bring over my level 50 characters, I wouldn't particularly want to spend the time and effort of getting a new one up there on the test server, where he/she could be deleted or locked away behind another closed beta without any notice.

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im very excited about I19. Just hope it lives up to my understanding of what it could be.
Same.

I hope the entire incarnate does as well.

Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.

 

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I'm trying to listen to all of you guys but all you guys say back is nothing of any value. Perhaps if you provided something thought provoking that hasn't already been ruled out instead of calling someone a mule then yeah maybe it would be worth mulling over.

Well we do know that the bug was reported in the beginning of closed beta (Fact). That the one reporting the bug hardly got any cooperation throughout closed beta (Fact). There was more than just him that was upset it wasn't being looked into further (Fact). This is all fact from what has been discussed about what's been going on in closed beta, don't believe me? Venture over to the development forum and read some of the stuff, comprehension is still something that you will need so it may be best to just stay here and pretend.

So yes I DO know why inherent fitness wasn't the correct version. Because they failed to follow up with ALL of their beta players (i.e. ignored). And it didn't really make sense for you guys to keep saying that they HAVE been working on his issue dilligently because if they really had all of these 3 months they might have figured something out about how inherent fitness was messing things up with everyones inherents which would mean that they just are inept at figuring their software out. Or if they HAD been aware of the problem with inherent fitness and just were too stubborn to put the right fix to it why then in the week since the first patch to open testing and the week later had they gone into overdrive soliciting information from everyone that played the dom and kheldian ATs? If they HAD known the root of the problem they would have already known to change the way inherent fitness was with alll of the compiled information they SHOULD have had from their dom and kheldians they really weren't listening much to.

Your guy's defense or rebuttle, if you can call it that, has more holes in it than swiss cheese, better stick to calling me a mule.

Oblivious is as oblivious does.
Seriously, if you're really that mad about this, please leave already

you're not helping anything. and if you think you are, think again. one or two posts is venting but you've now ventured into the Standard Code Rant and insanity

Go

There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"

 

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I wish people would stop quoting Championess' posts... I have her on ignore for a reason.

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