Discussion: Issue 19 Launch Update

Lol, I agree with the last part, but I don't find this announcement, or the recent trends of the game, dissapointing. But hey, each to their own.

common sense...

Slightly smaller than this:

http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Paragon_Studios

as some were layed off about 6 weeks ago or so and the page hasn't been updated.

I said stop deviating from the subject "the late status of alpha-slot.....again", not that I'm going to stop talking.

I have 15 days of time that I believed I would be spending playing this game that is now devoted to voicing my dissatisfaction with how things have been going.

Maybe the ones laid off were the ones working on the correct version of the inherent fitness......

I realized after I posted it that it's an impossibility on here.

which is a ridiculous assertion which completely ignores the other aspects of i19 in favour of an over-the-top statement that it has taken them 13 weeks to implement, break and then fix the new Fitness.

no its not, and you do have alot of points to make. Some of us already see that, and in some cases see more than we want to.

I *try* to not make things worse, usually backfires.

Would make sense with the way they are incorporating the main feature of GR into future updates, basically it's our subscription updates that have been free up to now. We are just hijacked into buying the box if we want anything of value in our "free" updates from GR on out.

Basically to me GR was Praetoria, the groundworks added with that. The "free" updates from here on out will be the incarnates building on what they have done with Praetoria. I stopped telling people to "come back, it's going to get better with the next issue""Going Rogue will be here and everything we've been waiting for has to be loaded into it".

Exactly, you can either choose to not see it and ignore it, or see it and voice an opinion to try and raise expectations that could draw people that left back because that voice wasn't heard.

Ugh!

My point is that yes with all of this time they are devoting to the REST of i19 that they never got around to listening to that Kheldian player who had issues with his inherent abilities. THEN once they patched it and found out that it was a bug that was unignorable they have endeavored to put all of their focus into fixing something they had no clue was going to be as gamebreaking as it is this past week.

SO. Yes they had their version of inherent fitness all wrapped up and were doing many other things with i19. THEN with the patch found this little bug and now decide to listen to that Kheldian guy and a few others that had been saying something about this for a while now.

Basically no I am not saying it took them 13 weeks of work all on inherent fitness, the break and fix. They had the version that they thought they wanted, moved on to other i19 stuff during beta, patched it to open and test and found out a good deal more information that it was a terrible bug and then in a week focused all of their efforts into finding the root of it and changing inherent fitness to interact differently. Follow?

So what you're saying is that when they fixed what they thought was an issue affecting a minority of characters there was a knock-on effect which revealed a much worse bug, and you're giving out about it?

How are they supposed to prioritise THAT, given that while Mr Kheldian was reporting their issues there were probably lots of other players also reporting other issues, some of which probably affected far more players than they thought the Kheld issue was going to and so got priority.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing and all but if the Kheld issue has turned out to be easily fixed but by prioritising that they overlooked another more serious issue (say one with the Alpha slots or a TF or something) would you now be here complaining about that and laughing at them for focusing on a minor Kheld bug over it?

As an aside, I can understand the fact you are getting jaded with some of the changes and apparent work practices of Paragon Studios. I share a lot of concerns too, the fact no red name has bothered posting in the Open Beta forum whatsoever is beyond a joke IMO, and i19 in general is to me very disappointing (I've also voted with my wallet and will see if and when I'll be back).

But I do know from developing my own software that sometimes issues like the Fitness & Respec ones can come out of nowhere and not be apparent until you've made what seemed to be a small patch to fix something

It turns out that the bug with inherent fitness affected everyone. Kheldians and Doms felt the major effect because the way that their inherents are easily discernable from all of the other ATs in the game (Domination click, Kheldian form shifting). Basically the inherent fitness powers became first in the list of powers, overlapping every AT specific inherent power to where it was no longer clickable or acted like it should.

If just one person would have looked into the "beta" Kheldians plight when he first made it known things would have been looked into a little further and maybe the right way to set up fitness so it is at least the trailing end of your inherents could have been found in time to not go on with the premise that inherent fitness was set to go as is for the open beta patch.

So you're saying that they shouldn't listen to their CLOSED beta players? What are they there for then?

Like I said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. It's very easy to say this now.

If I had a list of known issues with various aspects of the Issue with things like Alpha Slots, the new TFs, animation issues, new mission issues and there was one which was "Investigate Kheld and inherent Stamina problem" it would honestly be on my "not quite as pressing" list too. Not to say I'd ignore it but in terms of priority as it appeared then it would be low down on the list.

This is known as the "Jam Tomorrow" defense. They've been doing it for years by now. The development team has been sadly lacking in living up to their own hype in a lot of cases however.

Darn that Hindsight, it gets us every time! Or they could try this going forward as an approach.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

You forgot the "because they AREN'T God, I deserve reimbursement for the 15 bucks I spent re-subscribing for a new issue that changes almost nothing except Inherent Fitness!" part of her argument.

Personally I think this is a big problem with Paragon Studios. I understand hype. It is necessary to get people excited and keep them excited about a game or pretty much anything you are trying to sell really. There is a fine line between too little hype and too much hype. Too little and you don't excite people, too much and you can't live up to it so you end up disappointing people. Personally, I think Paragon Studios errs on the side of too much hype.

Sorry if i missed part of the thread that explained this, but how do you know that they just decided to listen about the Khelds after the fact. You seem to have a lot of knowledge about the inner workings of the Dev teams progress.

I'm still in favour of giving her the money back.

I'd tend to agree, I'm just wondering why anyone believed them when they said it'd be out before Thanksgiving. Many years they've held off until after the holiday before this one, it wasn't sane for them to promise different this time.

Think about it people, when has a big CoX release _ever_ been in time for your vacation/long weekend?

Because they never did.
They said they were hoping and aiming to get it out before thanksgiving if humanly possible.
It wasn't, due to bugs that they weren't happy with going Live. So it's coming out after.

People have got a serious case of mis-reading and possible entitlement issues, here.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.