Speaking as a woman... who cares? it has been pointed before... comic book characters tend to be on the extreme... so what?
If she does not like it, don't watch it or complain about it.
Personally, I prefer smaller ones... but thats just me...
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Part of me wants to give her the link to this thread, but then I think that would just be cruel. I've purposely not mentioned her by name or anything because some of you might know her in game, and I don't want to hurt her, I just want her to get the f*** of my back about "OMG ALL YOUR GIRLS HAVE HUGE BOOBS" when it's not true.
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I could easily tolerate exaggerated breasts... if they didn't look rediculously fake. I'd be okay with regular fake, but even fake boobs don't look like COH's chest slider maxed at to the right. Its not a size issue for me, its a shape thing. And its a shape they need to fix.|
Originally Posted by Bright Shadow
I don't get this fascination that some players have with "realism".
City of Heroes, as a an entertainment media inspired by comic books, borrows a touch of artistic style from that genre. In the comic book genre, one thing that really seems to be quite bold is gender bias. Main characters are often sexualized using various methods, be it male or female. Females are usually portrayed using athletic, feminine bodies with exaggerated breasts, narrow waists, and wider hips, along with long legs decorated with very skimpy clothing that seem incredibly impractical. |
Heck, even Power Girl's oversized knockers in the image posted previously look more realistic.
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Yeah, one thing my friend and I agree on, the "Witch" looks horrendous with that overly exaggerated drawn cleavage.
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Originally Posted by Next_Player
I could easily tolerate exaggerated breasts... if they didn't look rediculously fake. I'd be okay with regular fake, but even fake boobs don't look like COH's chest slider maxed at to the right. Its not a size issue for me, its a shape thing. And its a shape they need to fix.
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The shape, sadly, is a limitation on software.
The body models we have today are the body models that came with the first iteration of CoH about 5-6 years ago. Back then, in order to optimize the game performance, they had to use fewer polygons to make models; not just boobs.
Personally the models in this game need a huge upgrade. But they don't seem to be caring much about that. 
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Well, it's kinda late to really do that kind of update to the game. As much as I love City of Heroes, it's nearing "the end" as far as things go. Now, what "the end" means varies. The original Everquest is still to my knowledge up and played, it's just not what it was back when it started, and it's not getting a huge graphics update anytime soon either.
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Originally Posted by Bright Shadow
The shape, sadly, is a limitation on software.
The body models we have today are the body models that came with the first iteration of CoH about 5-6 years ago. Back then, in order to optimize the game performance, they had to use fewer polygons to make models; not just boobs. Personally the models in this game need a huge upgrade. But they don't seem to be caring much about that. |
Boobs of any size, Om nom nom nom....!
Where's Lord of Time and his never-ending library of Christina Hendricks pictures when you need him? You want to see realism, look her up. Or, you know, just open your eyes anywhere you go. All shapes, all sizes, all varieties including wildly disproportionate.
The world is not flat and neither is the average woman.
As far as realism goes, I prefer to leave that out of my pretendy fun-time game about super human characters in a world of make-believe.
"Character is what you are in the dark"-John Warfin
Oh and what makes things somewhat worse, is supposedly her other friends that play CoH, one female, three males, apparently also think ALL MY CHARACTERS are offensive and such, which just confounds my confusion and annoyance at her (them?). I've posted examples of my characters, including one that is the "worst" example of what she (they) accuse me of. As I said, I do have 3 characters that are larger than 50%, I admit that. But when I have Virtue nearly full, that still doesn't equate to "ALL".
It goes both ways. No one man has biceps as large as Captain America and he is technically not super strength either. Show me someone with Batman's barrel chest, with his proportions, in real life.
On that note yes witch lace looks completely ridiculous on the left side. I've done it and burned a costume change token immediately.
Here is another one of my HUGE characters (again, 50% slider)
It's the kitten, isn't it? Makes 'em look bigger.
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Originally Posted by Anarchist_Kitten
Well, it's kinda late to really do that kind of update to the game. As much as I love City of Heroes, it's nearing "the end" as far as things go. Now, what "the end" means varies. The original Everquest is still to my knowledge up and played, it's just not what it was back when it started, and it's not getting a huge graphics update anytime soon either.
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What happens if CoH doesn't follow the pattern of other games?
What happens when the narrow misconceptions about MMORPG's are not taken for granted?
What then?
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Actually, there's a song I can think of that communicates a similar theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIzaJ-sLbw0
Some Mastermind has Duped the Masses, but can't explain when the release date passesSong parodies aside, CoH is unlike any other MMO on the market. Why compare it to other products? Why should the performance of other MMO's impact the performance of CoH? Why should the performance record of other MMO products have any bearing on the performance record of the CoH MMO?
Each Game he knew, what was in store, oh it's deja'vu it seems like I've heard this before
Yes, other games can be used as examples on what is a good business move and what is not a good business move. That doesn't make them the be-all / end-all of how MMO's should be run or produced.
Let me put this another way:
When was the last time you heard somebody knocking Zelda: A Link to the Past because it came out in 1991?
When was the last time you heard somebody knocking Super Mario World for it's 1990 release? Hell, last time I checked gamers were praising New Super Mario Brothers Wii for bringing back the 1990 gameplay.
Thing is this: Good Game's don't get old.
So what if CoH is 6 years old. So what if other MMO's haven't gone that long. CoH isn't other MMO's. It is a good game, pure and simple. It stands on it's own as a good game.
The End? Only for those with blinders on.
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No, it's actually the top. That shirt, for some reason, makes chests look a lot puffier. And note that I said "puffier", not "bigger".
Originally Posted by Anarchist_Kitten
Here is another one of my HUGE characters (again, 50% slider)
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It's the kitten, isn't it? Makes 'em look bigger.
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Based on the character pics you've posted? Not really, no - the third pic you posted raises an eyebrow, but it's not outside the bounds (so to speak) of artistic license, AFAIC.|
Originally Posted by Anarchist_Kitten
As for your original post, I can understand that, however am I a "typical male obsessed with big breasts" because I don't dial it down?
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Originally Posted by Anarchist_Kitten
It's the kitten, isn't it? Makes 'em look bigger.
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Originally Posted by Anarchist_Kitten
Part of me wants to give her the link to this thread, but then I think that would just be cruel. I've purposely not mentioned her by name or anything because some of you might know her in game, and I don't want to hurt her, I just want her to get the f*** of my back about "OMG ALL YOUR GIRLS HAVE HUGE BOOBS" when it's not true.
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To me, it sounds as if SHE is the who's boob-obsessed.
Next time she does, get freudian on her and ask her how long she's had these "suppressed feelings" and is she subconsciously desiring to "play on the other side of the tracks".
I recommend getting out of throwing distance and crotch-kick range immediately afterwards though.
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Well have you Seen female Super Heroes in the Comic Books, all there boobs are really hugh, Wounder if that a Super Power or a perverted Art Comicbook Designer.
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Originally Posted by Anarchist_Kitten
Oh and what makes things somewhat worse, is supposedly her other friends that play CoH, one female, three males apparently also think ALL MY CHARACTERS are offensive and such, which just confounds my confusion and annoyance at her (them?)..
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Unless these people tell you themselves that they're offended, she's full of feces and is simply trying to bandwagon you.
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Here's a quickie comparison with the chest slider and the default "athletic" physique. Click on the images for full-size versions.
Smallest (Far Left):
Next Smallest (1/4 Right):
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Next Largest (3/4 Right):
Largest (Far Right):
The differences are actually fairly minute. And changing physique type doesn't really shift it much one way or another.
Now, as mentioned, certain things can be done to mask or enhance the appearance of said electronic representations of feminine mammary glands.
Such as the Witch costume and the shading of the cleavage.
As for guys being pigs for "liking" boobs...
So what? Men have been genetically and socially conditioned with an affinity for them for several thousand years (at least). Not saying it's right or fair or an attractive characteristic. I'm just saying it is. If you don't like it, well oink oink to you too.
Heck, some even like them so much they grow their own!
Now get in line for your brain bleach and eyeball scrub. Just fork over all your stuff now. I cornered the market...
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Originally Posted by Anomynous
Nah - the kitten makes her look too young to be so well-rounded.
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On most of mine, I lower it to 0. I've left it at 50% on a couple. Only one character ever had it boosted (and that was to near max) because the radioactive implants were the source of her powers. (Then I deleted her, and someone else grabbed the name of "Crimebuster". *cries*)
I think anything above 50% just looks... too improbable. However, it's fitting to the source concept for the game.
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Ugh, people always say this.|
Originally Posted by Late2Party
It goes both ways. No one man has biceps as large as Captain America and he is technically not super strength either. Show me someone with Batman's barrel chest, with his proportions, in real life.
On that note yes witch lace looks completely ridiculous on the left side. I've done it and burned a costume change token immediately. |
Oversized unrealistic aren't solely designed for the viewing pleasure of the demographic. They suggest power. Raunchy huge muscles are actually a /turnoff/ to most people. The point is not sex appeal, but power at the expense of realism.
In a genre about a power fantasy.
Oversized unrealistic breasts, however, serve a negative function in a superhero's life, and exist only for the viewing pleasure of the demographic. The point is not power, but sex appeal at the expense of realism.
In a genre about a power fantasy.
And since you're not allowed to make an unattractively-ripped female model in this game, and even the closest you can come doesn't begin to approach the "average" male in terms of muscle mass, yes. It rankles me.
Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.
Quick answer: Yes, because the smallest breasts you can make in game are about a C cup and most athletic built women are more around A/B.
Longer answer: The only people interested in making flat or small chested females are a small minority of the small minority that is roleplayers, same as the people who want to make guys that don't look like they live in the gym, so as long as the vast majority of people run around going 'lol, I have no neck' or 'lol, tiny bikini with giant breasts' and pay up.....no one design wise cares so everyone just has to deal.
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Thus staying true to the superhero comics genre.
Example A: *Image of Black Canary and Power Girl* Example B: *Image of Emma Frost* |
That said, to the OP, if she's not complaining about how muscled the guys are, or anything else then remind her that, just as stated, it's the genre staple. Both men and women are made to be idolized versions of both sexes.
Figure out your concept, figure out how they should look to you, and go with it. It's your character.
And remember, this isn't a female thing, this is just something with your friend.
Though, all the way to the right does seem to look pretty crappy outside of a few costume pieces, so there is that to remember.
*sigh* Personally, I hate to see people want to put realism into the game.
It's a comicbook universe, not RL with powers.
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Do you really want to sit down and argue that dominance, power, and alpha-male qualities are not potentially sexually attractive male qualities to the subconscious female mind?
Originally Posted by Tramontane
Ugh, people always say this.
Oversized unrealistic aren't solely designed for the viewing pleasure of the demographic. They suggest power. Raunchy huge muscles are actually a /turnoff/ to most people. The point is not sex appeal, but power at the expense of realism.
In a genre about a power fantasy.
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The way males and females perceive sexualization of things are completely different. It's how we're wired as humans (please, please don't respond with "Well, that's not what -I- find sexually appealing!" because I'm generalizing, and that'd count as anecdotal evidence, and then we'd get into discussions about subconscious mind, and it's just gonna turn into a mess! xD)
What you're misunderstanding, I think, is that you think comic book genres are solely about a power fantasy. That, I believe, is very false.
Sure, power fantasy is part of it, but it's not all of it.
Power, heroism, dominance, etc. are just some of the 'fantasies' that the comic book genre touches on. Fame, wealth, sex, and a whole bunch of other things are also 'fantasies' that the comic book genre brushes against.
If every super hero/villain story was about "Who can punch the hardest!", we would have a pretty boring array of comic stories.
Bottom line is, it's a fantasy. The point of a fantasy is to let us immerse ourselves in an unrealistic world. The point of a fantasy is to escape reality. Why do we have to limit this world to realistic constraints? Why do we have to bring this mentality that "Most women in real life don't have such perfectly shaped breasts that is perfectly proportionate to their body!" into this pretend-world were we can imagine whatever we want?
You might not like big boobs on your pixelated characters. I don't either, to be quite honest. I think proportionality is more important than "how big it is" when it comes to any thing; not just boobs. But why do you have to be annoyed and irked that other people have the option to play out their fantasies however they see fit? Worst of all, why would you (by you, I'm referring to the general opposition, not the person I'm replying to specifically) find the need to antagonize other people for having different tastes in their fantasy?
Get over it! It's a pretend fun-times video game!
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Originally Posted by Tramontane
Oversized unrealistic breasts, however, serve a negative function in a superhero's life, and exist only for the viewing pleasure of the demographic. The point is not power, but sex appeal at the expense of realism.
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I don't care how well the stories might be written, if they were drawn as stick figures, I wouldn't be buying them.
Trying to get that realistic look (and combining it with a new terrible writer) is what had me drop Gen-13 for awhile, way back when.
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Most of my female characters, I adjust the slider to the left... if the default is 50%, then I'm usually setting it at 25% to as low as 1%. I have made a couple characters intended to have the big bewbs, and I leave the slider at default for them... because that's plenty big already.
Anything over default looks hideously unrealistic. MAYBE... just maybe... if the devs did something to the character model so that the breasts look more realistic when they're bigger, then maybe I could see going bigger. But as it is right now, they just look like beach balls shoved under tights.
To me, the absolute largest any character's breasts need to be is at the halfway point. And that's for massively well-endowed women.
(Since, if you pay attention, that's about where an actual very well-endowed woman would be. Anything larger just looks like a fetish porn star.)
Just because I'm a straight guy doesn't mean my brain is located in the southern hemisphere, especially not when playing a VIDEO GAME. Good grief.
ETA: And as for "True to the comic book genre," the way women are drawn is one of the most irritating and obnoxious aspects of comic books to me.
Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.