Ghost Rider 2 approved with an apparent caveat
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Posted on: 2010-10-27 24:17 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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I'd be more inclined to believe them if they said he took the pay cut because his career has circled the drain a few more times since then. It's not like we're talking high art here.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
From comicbookresources.com SPINOFF:
"Part of the budget cut will come from Cage himself, who according to the site has taken a pay cut from $12 million to $7 million to stay involved with the production." |
As for the rest of the budget cuts, they won't necessarily mean less effects. Effects get cheaper over time, and truly these days live action stunts cost more than CGI when it comes to a movie like this. If they reduce the number of live action vehicle stunts, the cost for shooting and insurance would drop a lot.
Here's hoping that means we get a better story? Nahhhh couldnt be.
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I can just hear how that conversation went between Nick and his agent.
- Agent: Dude, you did National Treasure 2.
- Nick: ... point. Tell them I'll be in on Monday.
Well he's still having tax problems so 7 million is better than 0 million. Also he likes the material. I'm expecting a tad less CGI FX and a bit more traditional physical FX.
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As long as most of the CG effects are focused squarely on Ghost Rider himself, I'm not too worried about the budget. Honestly, the CGI on the "elemental demon" baddies from the first one were really very unimpressive, and the fights in that arena equally so. A lot of people forget that you don't really need a lot of flashy computer effects for absolutely everything supernatural. Mephisto (yes, I know what they called him in the flick, and I don't care!) in the first one exuded much more menace than the flashier bad guys without ever really doing all that much. Heck, a lot of people forget that Ghost Rider can work just as well against mundane, mortal evil as against the hordes of the underworld.
Dude with a flaming skull for a head? Hell yes, he needs CGI to work. The guys he's fighting, not necessarily. They've already cut out the lame stunt-performer celebrity and love interest angles at this point, so as long as they learned their lesson in how to tell a more solid story around the character, I'm... tentatively hopeful. 
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Part of the budget cut will come from Cage himself, who – according to the site – has taken a pay cut from $12 million to $7 million to stay involved with the production.
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I think a certain Mr Cage must of signed a certain contract in blood to get handed this again !, Ghost Rider; Spirit of vengeance huh ! (due 2012) - I mean.. Its not even a proper reboot-happy Marvel Enterpri$e$ venture is it with the same lead ?.
Ghost Rider (and its reboot) might of been / could be interesting had it gone really dark and certificate 15 (or higher), possibly with a tone not unlike Constantine, but lets face it, probably not going to happen with Di$ney in the saddle.
Just when Nick claws back credibility points for Big Daddy in KickAss, he goes backwards to redux this !. >.<
He can actually do darker material like in 8mm, if only he wasn't trying so hard to be a superhero on the silver screen all the time. I mean... he was trying like hell to be Superman when the project was in developmental hell under Tim Burton, and even named his own son Kal-El !. (wth !, thats dedication !).
Unless the cut in budget inspires a great focused screenplay with genuine menace and (personally for me) has a distinct lack of satanic bouffant hairstyle (Jeez, Fonda was ridiculous in that) - I'll be giving this reboot a miss.
Ugh, Cage's acting in the first film was almost as bad as the digital fire effects ...
And now they're cutting the budget in half?
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Give us a decent villain and a R rating, and it will be fine.
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Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Ghost Rider (and its reboot) might of been / could be interesting had it gone really dark and certificate 15 (or higher), possibly with a tone not unlike Constantine
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seemed to be pretty clearly referencing one of the worst "comic book" movies ever miscast. I couldn't help but watch that film expecting Constantine's actor to pull out an air-guitar and say duuuude, we should totally find a police box to go to hell man.
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Originally Posted by Cowman
Please tell me you're talking about the comic and NOT the movie.
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Yes, the PG 13 rating of GR didn't help. This is not a character for all ages like Spiderman and Superman, and even Batman.
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Originally Posted by Jetpack
Give us a decent villain and a R rating, and it will be fine.
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For me Cage was just flat out wrong in so many ways to be Johnny.
He is way too old to be believable. He was 42 when filming it for goodness sake.
I'd rather watch him as Big Daddy and the Sorcerer at his current age. I'll see GR 2 but I don't have much hope of liking it all that much.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I didn't have so much of a problem with Cage as I did with Fonda and the other guy as Blackheart. That was the most wooden acting I've ever seen. It was laughable.
So, barring them casting either of those guys again, this movie may be alright...even with half the money.
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Speaking of those baddies, the theatrical release had FX overload in general with visuals and sound. In my opinion one of the reasons the Directors Cut was better was that it replaced many of those scenes with versions that had LESS special FX being tossed around.
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Originally Posted by Hazmatter
As long as most of the CG effects are focused squarely on Ghost Rider himself, I'm not too worried about the budget. Honestly, the CGI on the "elemental demon" baddies from the first one were really very unimpressive, and the fights in that arena equally so. A lot of people forget that you don't really need a lot of flashy computer effects for absolutely everything supernatural. Mephisto (yes, I know what they called him in the flick, and I don't care!) in the first one exuded much more menace than the flashier bad guys without ever really doing all that much. Heck, a lot of people forget that Ghost Rider can work just as well against mundane, mortal evil as against the hordes of the underworld.
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Maybe this will force them to work on quality instead of just a bunch of crazy effects.
Ghost Rider was one of those movies where I felt like they were so busy trying to blow everyone away with visuals, they forgot to include the movie.
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If they go darker, and replace the director with someone who understands that GR is *not* a kid-friendly character, then maybe. Then again, I like Daredevil, finding it a comforting mirror to the "Friendly neighborhood Spiderman".
GR needs to be more damning, less jokes. The directors cut was indeed a dramatic improvement, with the reduced effects.
You know what?, in retrospect I'm actually glad Nick Cage is Ghost Rider. Things could of been worse.
Sooo much worse.
I'm glad this was shortlived. Stick to what you know Burton.. stick to what you know.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Here's hoping that means we get a better story? |
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Yes the Director Cut was much better and shows how screwy editing can hurt a movie when it's in the theatre. Another example is Highlander 4: endgame, with its theatrical, cable TV and DVD edited versions, ugh. Examples of movies with weak story, weak dialogue and just made minimal sense: Blade Trinity, Highlander 5: The Source (Highlander 2 was better)|
Originally Posted by Lord_Apollon
If they go darker, and replace the director with someone who understands that GR is *not* a kid-friendly character, then maybe. Then again, I like Daredevil, finding it a comforting mirror to the "Friendly neighborhood Spiderman".
GR needs to be more damning, less jokes. The directors cut was indeed a dramatic improvement, with the reduced effects. |
Ghost Rider's story was mainly Blade 1 recycled; tragic, cursed hero having to fight villain who seeks major power up.
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Wow....was that supposed to be Superman or a character from "The Starlight Express"?
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Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
You know what?, in retrospect I'm actually glad Nick Cage is Ghost Rider. Things could of been worse.
Sooo much worse. I'm glad this was shortlived. Stick to what you know Burton.. stick to what you know. |
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From comicbookresources.com SPINOFF:
"Heres the good news: Sony has greenlit the second Ghost Rider movie, and Nic Cage will be back as Johnny Blaze. Heres the potentially bad: The movies budget may have been slashed almost in half in order to make it happen.
The Wrap is reporting a rumor that GR2s budget has gone from $135 million to $75 million in order to get the movie the go-ahead from the powers that be (To put that in some kind of context, the original movie cost $110 million in 2007 dollars). Part of the reason may be that Sony is only co-financing the movie (Hyde Park Entertainment is co-funding and taking international distribution as a result), although its equally possible that $135 million was seen as too much of a risk for the sequel to a movie that only made $115 million in the US. Part of the budget cut will come from Cage himself, who according to the site has taken a pay cut from $12 million to $7 million to stay involved with the production.
Sony had no comment when reached."
Ok so GR1 which for the most part I liked didn't quite set the world on fire (no pun intended), the idea of only half the budget is kind of bad given all the fire effects for the Rider and his bike, plus whatever super foes he faces.
However I don't think the bean counters quite realize that GR isn't a character that can be marketed for all age brackets like Spiderman can. Spiderman is for all ages, GR isn't. Ah well.
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