idea is good, but the exhange rate would be too too good
gold ticket rolls cost 4000 tickets, i wouldnt expect 1 reward merit to go for more less than 5000 tickets
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That is way to harsh to be useful, at 5000 tickets for 1 merit you're much better off spending the tickets on random rolls. If you do Rare Recipe Rolls that gives you 20 merits = 4000 tickets. So 1 merit = 200 tickets. Now Reward Merits are slightly more valuable than tickets since you can do direct buys and convert them to A-Merits so I'd say set the price at 250-300 tickets.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
idea is good, but the exhange rate would be too too good
gold ticket rolls cost 4000 tickets, i wouldnt expect 1 reward merit to go for more less than 5000 tickets |
People do TFs and trials all the time (even on the smaller servers), but you can also flashback through ouros for reward merits solo as well.
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i see what your saying, but i doubt it will be that good of conversion ratio (for example see the sg registrar inf to prestige)|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
That is way to harsh to be useful, at 5000 tickets for 1 merit you're much better off spending the tickets on random rolls. If you do Rare Recipe Rolls that gives you 20 merits = 4000 tickets. So 1 merit = 200 tickets. Now Reward Merits are slightly more valuable than tickets since you can do direct buys and convert them to A-Merits so I'd say set the price at 250-300 tickets.
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also the alignment merit to buying purples/pvp IOs is a little extreme as well
200 merits takes like literally less than 15 min to get in most cases, and a single map can make up to 1500 tickets, which nets to almost 7 reward merits by your formula
you also have to take into the fact people make farms based on their toons strengths so they could blow through it and make 1500 tickets in less than 20 min
i see what your saying that 5000 for 1 merit is prolly a little excessing but i doubt the devs would go as low as 200 for 1 merit
Um...
Use Ouroboros? Do your missions? *Get the exploration badges for the zones?*
I see no reason to have to buy reward merits. No, not everything dumps 50+ merits on you. Doesn't mean farming AE should suddenly be rewarded again.
250-300 tickets? Might as well give everyone 10 merits every time they log in.
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This being your premise for the entire idea, you're going to have to do better at demonstrating it as fact and not just opinion.|
Originally Posted by JoshexDirad
what with people not wanting to do TF's and trials.
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People do TFs all the time.
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The general consensus I've seen from people in the market forum is that Gold rolls are already to expensive. Most people who farm tickets spend them on silver or bronze rolls instead (and my own experience supports this strategy). Similarly with merits it's generally considered that random rolls are, over time, more profitable than direct buys. By setting the price in the 200-300 range it means that the conversion is only beneficial to people who are planning direct buys (since with rolls you could spend fewer tickets directly) or using them to buy A-Merits (which are time limited anyway).|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
200 merits takes like literally less than 15 min to get in most cases, and a single map can make up to 1500 tickets, which nets to almost 7 reward merits by your formula
you also have to take into the fact people make farms based on their toons strengths so they could blow through it and make 1500 tickets in less than 20 min i see what your saying that 5000 for 1 merit is prolly a little excessing but i doubt the devs would go as low as 200 for 1 merit |
The time aspect is not a convincing argument to me. Let's say you farm up the 48,000 tickets necessary to direct buy a LotG 7.5% (using 200 tickets = 1 merit). With that amount you could already buy 88.9 pieces of rare salvage, 685.7 bronze rolls (level 30-34 or 35-39) or 13.7 gold rolls (level 30-34). Even taking the rare salvage option (a reliable but low profit item) and selling them for 1.6million each (in the middle of their standard 1-2million price range) you would get 140.8 million which is about what you'd get for the LotG 7.5%. If you converted the 48,000 tickets to merits and did direct rolls there you'd only get 12 rolls so that's clearly a loss as well.
Even at 200 tickets = 1 merit I don't see the conversion as being a better option than spending the tickets directly. The A-Merit conversion is a little trickier. It enables people to do that solo more easily. I don't think it would be game breaking though since those are time-locked most people who farm merits or tickets are going to have more than they can convert to A-Merits anyway.
Personally I agree with Bill that it isn't really needed however if it was implemented I think 200 merits would work fine as a price (alhough I'd probably set it to 250 to make spending the tickets on bronzes more appealing).
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
I see no reason to have to buy reward merits. No, not everything dumps 50+ merits on you. Doesn't mean farming AE should suddenly be rewarded again.
250-300 tickets? Might as well give everyone 10 merits every time they log in. |
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Um...
Use Ouroboros? Do your missions? *Get the exploration badges for the zones?* I see no reason to have to buy reward merits. No, not everything dumps 50+ merits on you. Doesn't mean farming AE should suddenly be rewarded again. 250-300 tickets? Might as well give everyone 10 merits every time they log in. /unsigned. |
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indifferent about buying merits outright, but enthusiastic about having them be marketable goods you could sell to other players.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
indifferent about buying merits outright, but enthusiastic about having them be marketable goods you could sell to other players.
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I suppose I can't speak for every person on every server, but easily 80% of the channel chatter that I hear that is not casual conversation is some sort of TF/Trial recruitment. People play TFs all the time. We do not need AE to generate Merits.
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i third this.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Um...
Use Ouroboros? Do your missions? *Get the exploration badges for the zones?* I see no reason to have to buy reward merits. No, not everything dumps 50+ merits on you. Doesn't mean farming AE should suddenly be rewarded again. 250-300 tickets? Might as well give everyone 10 merits every time they log in. /unsigned. |
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yeah my basis of no one doinf TF's was during the day time, and during halloween it's even harder to get people to want to.. for those coccasions I'd like to be able to get some reward merits without soloing trials and flashbacks..
I'll agree with 250 tickets a merit, that would be reasonable. 39 merits for 9,999 tickets, that's very reasonable.
as for making them marketable, lol who would sell them? XD, they are just too useful.
maybe they should have a hero corps thing, like the hero corps has a donation thing where you get merits for donating inf to the hero corps.
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sorry adeon, i can not get behind the 250-300 tickets = 1 merit either. it takes less then 3 mins to get that amount of tickets which is under the 6 min = 1 merit conversion the devs have going now. there is no need to be able to purchase merits.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
The general consensus I've seen from people in the market forum is that Gold rolls are already to expensive. Most people who farm tickets spend them on silver or bronze rolls instead (and my own experience supports this strategy). Similarly with merits it's generally considered that random rolls are, over time, more profitable than direct buys. By setting the price in the 200-300 range it means that the conversion is only beneficial to people who are planning direct buys (since with rolls you could spend fewer tickets directly) or using them to buy A-Merits (which are time limited anyway).
The time aspect is not a convincing argument to me. Let's say you farm up the 48,000 tickets necessary to direct buy a LotG 7.5% (using 200 tickets = 1 merit). With that amount you could already buy 88.9 pieces of rare salvage, 685.7 bronze rolls (level 30-34 or 35-39) or 13.7 gold rolls (level 30-34). Even taking the rare salvage option (a reliable but low profit item) and selling them for 1.6million each (in the middle of their standard 1-2million price range) you would get 140.8 million which is about what you'd get for the LotG 7.5%. If you converted the 48,000 tickets to merits and did direct rolls there you'd only get 12 rolls so that's clearly a loss as well. Even at 200 tickets = 1 merit I don't see the conversion as being a better option than spending the tickets directly. The A-Merit conversion is a little trickier. It enables people to do that solo more easily. I don't think it would be game breaking though since those are time-locked most people who farm merits or tickets are going to have more than they can convert to A-Merits anyway. Personally I agree with Bill that it isn't really needed however if it was implemented I think 200 merits would work fine as a price (alhough I'd probably set it to 250 to make spending the tickets on bronzes more appealing). I realize that this is hyperbole but think about what that actually means. The earning power from being able to convert 250-300 tickets to merits is not out of line with the current options for directly buying items with tickets as I think my analysis above indicates. Yet despite that the AE is not the most popular method of farming. I really don't see how adding merits to the purchase option for tickets would make AE farming the most popular option unless the price was significantly lower than 200. |
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I have about 50,000 merits if you want to buy them at market rate.|
Originally Posted by JoshexDirad
as for making them marketable, lol who would sell them? XD, they are just too useful.
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i bid 1 10 lb bacon cake and a six pack of bacon cola... |
Originally Posted by PumBumbler
I have about 50,000 merits if you want to buy them at market rate.
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Double that, and eat all of it in one 3 hour sitting and I will give the merits to you.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
i bid 1 10 lb bacon cake and a six pack of bacon cola...
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My question there is if 200 tickets = 1 merit is so horrible why aren't people doing mass AE farming now? Lets say you can get 200 tickets in 3 minutes. That means that you can get a Gold roll in 1 hour right now. Now add in a ticket to conversion ratio of 200:1. It still takes 1 hour of ticket farming to get a gold roll whether you do it with tickets or merits. The only change is that now you can potentially spend tickets to buy specific recipes instead of doing random rolls. I don't think that this is necessary (especially with the introduction of A-Merits) but I fail to see how this would suddenly make AE farming more attractive than it is now when random rolls are generally considered superior to direct buys and it changes neither the time per random roll or the ratio of random rolls to direct buys.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
sorry adeon, i can not get behind the 250-300 tickets = 1 merit either. it takes less then 3 mins to get that amount of tickets which is under the 6 min = 1 merit conversion the devs have going now. there is no need to be able to purchase merits.
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Because most people actually enjoy playing the game as it was intended. I know it sounds hard to believe, but given the choice, the majority of players are willing to pass up the chance to run endless monotonous AE farms and instead run the 6 year old story arcs they fell in love with when they first bought the game.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
My question there is if 200 tickets = 1 merit is so horrible why aren't people doing mass AE farming now?
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Who'd a guessed that people play this game for the content and not the phat lewt they could get by farming.
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That's preposterous, Forbin.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Because most people actually enjoy playing the game as it was intended. I know it sounds hard to believe, but given the choice, the majority of players are willing to pass up the chance to run endless monotonous AE farms and instead run the 6 year old story arcs they fell in love with when they first bought the game.
Who'd a guessed that people play this game for the content and not the phat lewt they could get by farming. |
Everyone knows the game is about getting your lewt/minute ratio as high as possible.
Content....Pfffffft.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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HuH !??? I am assuming this was a typo.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
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200 merits takes like literally less than 15 min to get in most cases.... |
If not, please enlighten me as to how I can earn 200 reward merits in 15 min.
The best I have managed is 30-50 in a 2-3 hour stretch. I am sure there are folks doing better, but 50X better ??
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Reading the entire sentence it's pretty apparent he meant tickets, not merits. |
Originally Posted by Biospark
HuH !??? I am assuming this was a typo.
If not, please enlighten me as to how I can earn 200 rewards merits in 15 min. The best I have managed is 30-50 in a 2-3 hour stretch. I am sure there are folks doing better, but 4X better ?? |
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| 200 merits takes like literally less than 15 min to get in most cases, and a single map can make up to 1500 tickets, which nets to almost 7 reward merits by your formula |
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That is what I assumed too, since he mentioned tickets in the same sentence and 200 tickets in 15 minutes is very do-able. I just wanted to be sure. |
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Reading the entire sentence it's pretty apparent he meant tickets, not merits.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Might as well give everyone 10 merits every time they log in.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
ok, I know you can use 50 Reward Merits+20,000,000 inf to buy Hero/Villain Merits.
but, reward merits can be hard to get what with people not wanting to do TF's and trials.. so, why not allow reward Merits to be bought with AE tickets?
50 AE tickets could buy 1 reward merit, that means 9,999 AE tickets would yeild 199 reward merits
or maybe they should be put up for the same price as other rare salvage (540 tickets a peice)? that would mean 9,999 tickets would yield 18 reward merits
maybe Hero/Villain merits should be purchasable once a day with AE tickets as well? maybe the rate for hero/villain merits should be 4000 AE tickets?
but mainly I personally think Reward merits should be purchasable with AE tickets, my opinion is 50 AE tickets for 1 Reward Merit.