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Originally Posted by mr imposible
I have a inv/ss tank and I think that the damage stinks!
I am lvl 26 and my haymaker does aprrox. 60 points of damage while my lvl 9 scrapper does 80 points of damage with crane kick! why can an ordinary person do more damage than some one who can punch throgh a brick wall? |
You're two levels away from Rage. 3 levels away from having it perma (and double-stacked, if you have Hasten and +recharge set bonuses). Post-28 is a much happier experience. My Inv/SS has no trouble farming the wall in Cimerora, for instance.
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Damage Modifiers are the first answer. Scrappers will always do more damage then an equally enhanced Tank. Secondly, Super Strength is balanced around having Rage going, and until you have Rage up SS is a bit weak on damage.
Those are the quick and dirty answers.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Plus the fact that you're a Tanker. The Archetype is defense (meaning res/def) based, so naturally your damage is going to be lower, as it's not generally the priority for the standard run-of-the-mill Tanker.
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If you want damage output, choose a scrapper or brute. Tanks aren't based on damage output as much as taking damage for the team.
If I were you I would play all three tanks, brute, scraps to lvl 50 and take the time to learn AND EMBRACE the differences.
That way you could break out the super brain and come up with something that would better suit your desires.
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As said, your one-word answer lies two levels away:
RAGE
Yes, Rage is that good.
It gets better.
Rage! 
Footstomp! 
At level 50 my INV/SS's Haymaker does 143 Damage normally, and 202/260 with Rage buffing once/twice.
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Originally Posted by mr imposible
I have a inv/ss tank and I think that the damage stinks!
I am lvl 26 and my haymaker does aprrox. 60 points of damage while my lvl 9 scrapper does 80 points of damage with crane kick! why can an ordinary person do more damage than some one who can punch throgh a brick wall? |
I am very punny.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
Don't rage quite now.
I am very punny. |
To the OP, you also should remember you are comparing quite different attacks. Haymaker and Crane Kick do quite different ST damage scales (Haymaker is 1.64, Crane Kick is 2.058)... Haymaker would be weaker than Crane Kick by a significant amount on Scrappers as well... if Scrappers ever get Super Strength, anyway.
Whenever you compare things, know how those things are made up. Super Strength is actually considered to be a fairly good set.
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ok thanks for the advice
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Do you mean he shouldn't rage and be upset "quite" now (as in just yet?), or that he shouldn't rage "quit?" Very different suggestions, there, Mr. Punner.
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
i just reached lvl 28 and got rage.
ss is no longer weak!
Gratz.
Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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My level 50 Inv/SS Tanker has dealt out over 600 damage with Knockout Blow, when Rage was double-stacked and the target was debuffed by Jab's Bruising effect. Note that a Shield or Fire primary would have done even more.
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Teamed with a Kinetics Controller (so I was at the damage cap at the time, I'm sure), I was quite happy when my Shield/SS did 500 damage or so with KB Blow at about level 40. 'tis quite nice!
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I find my SS/Inv toon to be quite weak as well. I've always wanted a "classic" Superman type toon but find levelling a SS/Inv to be such a chore that I always end up walking away from it. So I started a new one determined to make this one be the one that makes it. So far, I'm at level 9...
I've read all the great suggestions to wait for Rage. Ok, sounds good...problem is that I find levelling in this game to be very, very slow. Now before you break out the flame throwers, I fully accept the fact that I am doing something wrong most likely. So please no " go play wow" or something comments. I played this game for a few months at launch and only recently came back. My highest character is a level 33 DM/Regen that I pulled out of retirement, but like I mentioned I really want to build up a SS/Inv tank.
So....what could I do to level faster? What I currently do is just mostly solo door missions on default difficulty.
Any suggestions would be highly welcome.
Thanks
Join a team and fight higher level enemies. It's much much faster than soloing, especially as a tank.
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Originally Posted by mr imposible
I have a inv/ss tank and I think that the damage stinks!
I am lvl 26 and my haymaker does aprrox. 60 points of damage while my lvl 9 scrapper does 80 points of damage with crane kick! why can an ordinary person do more damage than some one who can punch throgh a brick wall? |
because Scrappers definitely don't have almost twice the damage scale as Tankers
my Elec/SS Tanker is only 23 atm and has 2 lv25 Damage IOs slotted and does 69 damage (giggity)
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Scrappers have roughly 50% more damage than Tankers, all else being equal (and ignoring the Bruising effect). That's a considerable advantage for Scrappers, but it's nowhere near double a Tanker's damage.|
Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
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because Scrappers definitely don't have almost twice the damage scale as Tankers |
And all else isn't always equal, either. Some attacks are just better than others. Rage puts Tankers in pretty decent territory compared with lower-performing Scrapper sets.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Nice build
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bah, I gave Tankers a lower damage scaler than I thought they had ;p
was thinking .7 and Scraps were 1.2
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Originally Posted by dmaker99
So....what could I do to level faster? What I currently do is just mostly solo door missions on default difficulty.
Any suggestions would be highly welcome. Thanks |
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Originally Posted by Tsuji
Join a team and fight higher level enemies. It's much much faster than soloing, especially as a tank.
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Then wrangle Task Force invites. Find your server's global channels (or ask what they are in your server's dedicated forum) and monitor them for Task Force recruitment -- or start your own Task Forces, you can use the Titan network's wiki to read about each TF so you know what to expect and what levels to recruit. It's not hard to lead a Task Force if you have some uninterrupted time to play. I always find TFs really speed the time by while pushing up levels steadily.
And while you're at it, leverage the social network.
Note the players you liked playing with. Put a player note on them so you can recognize them again, and ask if they mind being put on one of your friends lists (either "server" or for the really good friend, "global."This has worked really well for me. Characters I've been soloing always take off and mature quickly whenever I remind myself to make the effort to do this.
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Bump your mission difficulty. +1x2 early on, or even +1x3 is still doable with a trayful of inspies. Plus it guarantees that you won't out-level the mission (and have to fight green/blue con mobs for piddly XP) when you level inside a mission. Heck, when I realized I'd left my tank on Victory in Outbreak and Tanker Tuesday there was 2 weeks away, I cranked it to +2x3. For a while I was leveling twice a mission.|
Originally Posted by dmaker99
So....what could I do to level faster? What I currently do is just mostly solo door missions on default difficulty.
Any suggestions would be highly welcome. Thanks |
Also, early on STREET SWEEP on your way to missions. It won't get you LOTS of XP, but at low levels, the extra slivers of XP go a long way towards making you level faster.
Also, while it doesn't help a LOT, slot early and often for additional accuracy. Missing sucks and is wasted endurance.
Do a bit of marketing as well. Sell all your drops (ESPECIALLY your initial two tier-3 inspies). I actually wound up with over half a million from selling them off my new Fire/Inv scrapper. With a bit of judicious arbitrage and a bit of savvy, you can be rolling in ungodly sums of money at low level (the aforementioned tank is sitting on about 35 million inf at the moment at level 20). This means you have no reason not to simply renew your enhancements as often as you can and then IO-up when you're ready.
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Originally Posted by mr imposible
I have a inv/ss tank and I think that the damage stinks!
I am lvl 26 and my haymaker does aprrox. 60 points of damage while my lvl 9 scrapper does 80 points of damage with crane kick! why can an ordinary person do more damage than some one who can punch throgh a brick wall? |
that explains what each type does???
I guess not.
I'm going to check the defender threads now, you've probably posted there that a lvl 9 tank can survive 8man mobs but your lvl 26 Defender dies!!!
Omg, Surprise.
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
I have a inv/ss tank and I think that the damage stinks!
I am lvl 26 and my haymaker does aprrox. 60 points of damage
while my lvl 9 scrapper does 80 points of damage with crane kick!
why can an ordinary person do more damage than some one who
can punch throgh a brick wall?