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Rude! You should be ashamed of yourself!
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Originally Posted by Donna_
When you created the character did you read the screen
that explains what each type does??? I guess not. I'm going to check the defender threads now, you've probably posted there that a lvl 9 tank can survive 8man mobs but your lvl 26 Defender dies!!! Omg, Surprise. |
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I know this is an (older) thread, but I wanted to clarify since when skimming I didn't see anyone else make this point:|
Originally Posted by mr imposible
I have a inv/ss tank and I think that the damage stinks!
I am lvl 26 and my haymaker does aprrox. 60 points of damage while my lvl 9 scrapper does 80 points of damage with crane kick! why can an ordinary person do more damage than some one who can punch throgh a brick wall? |
HayMaker - A lvl26 would deal 46.63 base dmg. Fully slotted it would deal 93.26 dmg.
Crane Kick - A lvl9 would deal 34.52 base dmg. Fully slotted it would deal 67.314 dmg. That's ignoring the fact this is impossible, because even 6 even lvl TOs would only +48% dmg. At that point, it would deal 51.0896 dmg. That's also ignoring the fact you can only pick it up at lvl8, so at most it would have 3 slots. That means 42.8048 dmg.
On top of that, GP hit the nail on the head:
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
To the OP, you also should remember you are comparing quite different attacks. Haymaker and Crane Kick do quite different ST damage scales (Haymaker is 1.64, Crane Kick is 2.058)... Haymaker would be weaker than Crane Kick by a significant amount on Scrappers as well... if Scrappers ever get Super Strength, anyway.
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I don't have Rage and my Invulnerabilty/ Super Strength tank has no trouble farming the wall in Cimerora.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
You're two levels away from Rage. 3 levels away from having it perma (and double-stacked, if you have Hasten and +recharge set bonuses). Post-28 is a much happier experience. My Inv/SS has no trouble farming the wall in Cimerora, for instance.
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Yeah, those numbers kind of made me go, "Eh?" Differences in AT damage aside, and Haymaker being a weaker attack overall than Crane Kick, it just still could not have added up to that at level 26 and level 9. I suspect the OP was fighting some foes grey to him, or vulnerable to Smashing, with his Scrapper, while the Tanker was fighting foes above his level.
There is a reasonable question in the OP's last line, though, which is how an ordinary person with just martial arts skill can do more damage than a person who can punch through a brick wall. The answer is, that's just the way the game works. First of all, you can't really punch through any brick walls in this game, second, even if you could, the devs couldn't make everyone who is "normal" just do negligible damage and have them fall dead at one hit point. All the "normal" heroes like Batman or the Punisher would be gimped.
My take on it, and by the way this is a VERY old argument, is that "damage" as defined by the game is not the same thing as being able to bust brick walls. It's a combination of pain, fatigue, and the will to fight. Scrappers like Batman and Spiderman take down their foes quickly through intimidation and nerve strikes, while Tankers and Brutes are more about brute force and wearing the foe down over time.
It's not that a Scrapper or Blaster is stronger or does more damage, it's that they know that they can't take the damage as well, and so they fight dirty and don't hold back. Stalkers even take this to the extreme, they're willing to use lethal force to take out a foe with one blow, if they have to.
Which is why, if a Tanker had Martial Arts, he wouldn't do as much damage with it as a Scrapper. And a Brute, until he builds up full Fury, won't do as much damage as a Scrapper either. It's not the difference between a super strength punch and a crane kick that is the difference, although you could probably say in general the crane kick is more precise, and probably aimed at a more vulnerable part of the body. (Which would be the difference between Batman's martial arts and Spiderman's super strength, basically, none really)
I can testify to what a difference Rage makes.
I have it slotted well enough along with Hasten...I can have it stacked up to 4 times if my timing is right. Thunderous.
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