fix it so we are not forced to pick the t1 power in our secondary

it's annoying and we should not be forced to take a power that we may not want. if you can't change this then provide 6 enhancement slots that are "locked in" instead of 1. also, do the same thing for boxing or kick when chosen from the fighting pool, not both.

tyvm

uh...you think they should automatically six slot tier ones and boxing/kick...and you think that's balanced? am i misunderstanding?

Neither of these are broken, so there's nothing to "fix."

Now, if you want it to change, then that's a different story. However, I disagree. This would open up a decent amount of problems (e.g., Stalkers not taking Hide), and does away with the thinking that your secondary is, well, secondary to your character. If you get the powerset as a primary, you get the choice of the tier 1 and 2 powers. If it's in your secondary, you don't. Basically, you're weaker in terms of power and choices in your secondary. Seems to make sense to me.

As for boxing and kick, those are the prereqs for the other powers, just like every other power pool. Why would they change just that one pool?

wile were at it we shudnt' be forecd to pick the crapper first 8 powers wy cant we just get the 9th at lvl1? if not they culd just add 6 enhnacements slots to the ohter powers, and make IO maeking free without needing savleage.

tyvm

HAH!

I'm on the side of the OP!!!

The Responses to Avoiding the First Tier Secondary:

1. NO. Because we've been doing it this way for 6 years.

OK, that's just dumb. It's like saying leave Faultline the way it was because that's the way it was. Or go back to old Vigilance or Defiance because that's the way it was. Or don't implement inherent Fitness because that's the way it was for 6 years. People who make this argument are the ones to be ridiculed and told they're not allowed to participate in discussions anymore.

You mean like how some MMs skip Pets? Or 'Healers' skip attacks? Or Blasters skip melee attacks? Or Tankers skip Taunt? Why not let people hold off taking Hide until they have their Assassination power? And where's the indignation for "No! Controllers will skip GALE!"? Have you all heard the news that not all first tier secondary powers are equal in utility? How about giving people whose first tier secondary powers is nearly useless a chance to skip it?

I've got a brain.

Here are more reasons, ZM:

1: The first tier power in the character's secondary is forced by design. For attack sets, it forces the character to take what is probably a sub-optimal attack to strengthen the concept that the set is the character's secondary powerset. In the case of mitigation sets, it forces the user to take a power that is either integral to the archetype (see stalker Hide) or necessary for survival (see SR Focused Fighting.)

2: The devs did away with freeform power selection because it created a situation where it was too easy to tankmage or gimp yourself. The decision to allow a new character to choose either the first or second tier power from the primary and force the use of the 1st tier from the secondary was part of this decision.

3: The case has not been made by either you or the OP that there is any reason beyond whim to unlock the tier 1 power choice. Until a case can be made that shows this change is necessary or even needed, it won't happen. In this, the request is no different than my whim request that tough grant some level of dam-res to all damage types. As I can not make the case that this change is necessary or needed in any way, it won't be happening.

Better?

What is dumb is someone putting words in other people's posts. I know I didn't say no, only that there is nothing broken as stated in the OP and that the current system works as-is after 6 years.

People who make up things are the ones to be ridiculed and told they're not allowed to participate in discussions anymore.

Am I the only one that thinks Lurker and Optical are the same exact person? Really? Is that necessary to have a second account to post in your own threads to look like you have more support than you do? If I'm wrong I apologize but there's a massive resemblance.

As far as the topic... I'd have to completely disagree with the idea on many many levels, one of the main ones being that the entire point of a secondary is that it's just that... a secondary. It's not supposed to be your main attraction, and you may not start out with something you like. I'm against this whole notion of instant gratification that's been sweeping the younger generation these days. Do something for your reward.