No warburg nuke CoP

Im dissapointed that the devs did that. Its of course very fast on a busy server like freedom. But even with the nukes on slow servers you might not get it done.



There was an attempt on a small server Monday night and it failed and that was with nukes, an experienced group, and Vent communication.

However the group was small and thats to be expected on a smaller server. So To slow down the CoP on freedom and virtue they made it even harder for EVERYone else.

Once again that is short sighted by the devs. If every server had multi CoP runs a night i could understand.

I have characters on Freedom, and virtue, and on small servers.

On freedom my sg ran 3 in a night on sunday. And on slower servers it is hard to even schedule one using the boards a special channel, arena chat, and Vent.

Just merger the servers already or stop crushing the smaller pop servers.


And whats with the giant purple man when is that getting nerfed.

1) I agree that this change makes little sense, especially with the AV bugs still in place making the storm version incredibly difficult. It would have probably been better not to make this fix until after those bugs had been corrected.

2) This has very little to do with server population. It's not like Freedom has larger teams - it's 24 people, period. While you'll certainly see more runs on a server like Freedom, that's not to say that other servers can't be successful. I was just part of a successful run on Triumph recently.

This trial has issues that need to be addressed. That's what should be fixed. Attempts to use this to support the bad idea of server mergers don't hold up though. What you really need is 24 people that can pull off a well-coordinated attack. You're likely to get more attempts being run on a server like Freedom but this doesn't guarantee a higher quality of attempts. In fact, an argument could be made that you get just the opposite.

So... what was your question that other players can answer?

You do realize there is a general discussion forum for topics like this, yes?

Edit: Thread moved from player questions to general discussion, i guess the mods had the same thought. o.0

Anything that requires nukes to beat needs a revisit(I'ma lookin' at you, LRSF!)

Mostly I'm disappointed that they nerfed the players ability to perform the Trial, while leaving bugs in the trial that favor the NPC.

As Minotaur pointed out, there are no rewards for killing the mobs in this. You only get a reward if you win. Even then, for such a tricky trial, you only get 10 merits. ITFs can be done in an hour, much more easily and you get 24 merits.

So you have a tricky trial, doesn't give any drops from the mobs, doesn't give great rewards and you just decided to take out some of the player's options because it made it too easy. But they left in the bugs that let the AVs perform in a way that they aren't supposed to, and make them that much harder to perform.

It's like the Devs are trying to make this Trial, which many people waited for a long time to be put back in, un-popular.

I've played on virtue and run several of these now, only 1 has been successful. Any time we see the Purple AV show up, people throw in the towel, it's too hard to beat him, even if we don't team wipe he regens so damn fast, shooting through his forcefield and all that. Even with nukes, we couldn't beat him.

Now there are no nukes, so now what? The trial is going to be pointless if you don't have a really good set of 24 people. There are no rewards at all if you don't win, even if you do win you don't get much and even with a really good team, you have a 50\50 chance of getting an AV that's bugged and completely over powered. And now we don't have one thing that made it a little more bearable...

I wouldn't mind the lack of nukes if they at least fixed the AVs at the same time..

Is it such a bad thing to have a challenging trial? So many "speed" TF's are abused and many (most?) missions are commonly "ghosted" these days.

I like that there's a trial with some time-sensitive tasks and a big challenge to overcome so it's not taken for granted like so many other trial/TF runs. Maybe the devs agree?

I'm not really upset about the Devs banning Warburg nukes from the CoP Trial from the point of view that "they made completing the trial too easy and now it's going to be too hard" or some nonsense like that. As others have been pointing out people will eventually "figure out" the best way to beat this trial regardless of the nukes.

The problem I have with this change is that I believe, IIRC, this is the first time a specific set of temp powers have been uniquely banned from a particular trial/TF/SF of the game. I'm not really sure that's a good precedent for the Devs to be establishing here. If the Devs feel that unique power X shouldn't be allowed during Trial Y then what's going to stop them from doing other weirdly arbitrary piecemeal nerfs or bans in the future? This seems like it could be the beginning of a spiral that leads to a loss of overall game balance.

If the Devs felt there was something wrong with using nukes in this trial they should have either modified the nukes or modified the trial, NOT just ban these unique nukes from this single trial. Their hamfisted 'solution' in this case seems overly reactionary and shortsighted all things considered. *shrugs*

Sorry if I'm not sensitive to some of the complaints. After completing CoP a handful of times only a day or two after GR launched, it just seemed very doable. Set a time for capable players with appropriate powersets and skills to show up to give yourselves the best chance to succeed. If you can't throw all that together, you deserve to fail. Like my Pirates in MLB for the past 18 seasons.

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You perfectly explained why it's not worth my time.

Won't even bother mentioning the 10 merits.

If you love it have at it.