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That said, most power and animation alterations have been for balance concerns and not aesthetic ones.
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So, out of curiosity, since this thread seems to be mostly derailed, does that mean we're all at a consensus that Ninja MM pets need some KB protection and raised defense values?
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Within the context of the show, no, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I like to think that the last time he hurt his arm, it was because he did the thing three times, and because he sucked at it, to boot, whereas this time it was just once with the clear understanding of what it is, plus he held on to it for a shorter time. Nevertheless, I realise it's just an excuse on my part.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Everytime you link to that and I watch it, I hate that attack more and more...
The resenshuriken is suppose to slice up his chakra network every time he uses it, right? It's suppose to be dangerous/life threatening (and I'd presume that shippuuden movie was before the Pain fight so he probably doesn't have sage mode or control of the kyubi so that's not healing him...). Hell, the explosion itself should have ripped his clothes apart (if not the majority of his body). I like huge OMGWTMFH!1 attacks as much as the next guy but...uhg, I'm just not liking that omni-weapon anymore. Much prefer Asuma's more subtle version of the whole 'cut stuff with wind' skill. |
What I like is the effect, however nonsensical it may be. Shippuuden has been scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of animation budget practically since Hero's Comeback, and it's only going more and more downhill, to the point where just bringing it up make me feel like Spoony talking about TNA, and I do not know why I still watch this real-time train wreck. That one off-model high-budget episode with the 9-tailed fox was, admittedly, very sweet, but even a dead man could tell it wouldn't last, and sure enough, next episode is back to "drawn by a kindergartener." Seriously, check out the faces of people in the foreground. It makes the Powerpuff Girls look like Avatar.
It doesn't really make sense, but by anime standards, that's a very creative use of animation. And I know what I'm talking about, considering I'm watching Dragonball Kai in parallel
Anime tends to make big explosions at the same time ridiculous and boring. I'm not sure how they manage that, but I dare say limited budgets are partly to blame. This one had what felt like an unlimited budget, or closer to it than the show has seen in the past few years, and I just enjoyed the nice explosion. It brought me back to the old days of Naruto's fight with Shukoku where the encounter as seen from the ground resembled a powerful storm. Yeah, it's nonsensical, but I'm easily distracted by the shiny, if the shiny is done well enough. I yearn for the romantic simplicity of bigger explosions, and the Shippuuden movies provide in spades.However, I will agree with the dissenters: Shippuuden sucks, and has sucked... Pretty much always. In fact, the old Naruto slowly started sucking from episode, like, 150 on, basically from the start of the fillers. What was truly badass was from inception up to about the end of the Chunin Exam and the fight with Gaara. Everything since then has been a constant downward spiral that's just on the verge of making me stop giving a crap about the whole thing... Pretty much unless it improves within the next two, at most three episodes.
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So, out of curiosity, since this thread seems to be mostly derailed, does that mean we're all at a consensus that Ninja MM pets need some KB protection and raised defense values?
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Gotta disagree on that one, I've followed the episodes and manga since the early times and I like Shippuuden more actually. Naruto doesn't act like a clown as much and it has a more serious feel to it. I don't know if you've kept up on the manga or are the type that doesn't want to ruin it for yourself, but it just keeps getting more and more intense to me. the only problem I can see with it is the same as DBZ, in the later on episodes previously cool characters like Shikamaru and Gaara/Piccolo and Tien, etc. all take a backseat to the 2 or 3 most powerful caracters.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Shippuuden sucks, and has sucked... Pretty much always. In fact, the old Naruto slowly started sucking from episode, like, 150 on, basically from the start of the fillers. What was truly badass was from inception up to about the end of the Chunin Exam and the fight with Gaara. Everything since then has been a constant downward spiral that's just on the verge of making me stop giving a crap about the whole thing... Pretty much unless it improves within the next two, at most three episodes.
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Gotta disagree on that one, I've followed the episodes and manga since the early times and I like Shippuuden more actually. Naruto doesn't act like a clown as much and it has a more serious feel to it. I don't know if you've kept up on the manga or are the type that doesn't want to ruin it for yourself, but it just keeps getting more and more intense to me. the only problem I can see with it is the same as DBZ, in the later on episodes previously cool characters like Shikamaru and Gaara/Piccolo and Tien, etc. all take a backseat to the 2 or 3 most powerful caracters.
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I tend to think that a person can be forgiven for making the main characters the most powerful characters in the story.
Though I personally like for all of my characters to have something awesome to do in any story they show up in...that is rather unusual.
One or two main characters is the standard.
Equal time on a large number of characters is unusual...
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Don't see much I'd change about my Ninjas (have a Nin/DM at lvl 50, for quite some time now). The AI tweaks and the swap from arrows to shuriken have helped. I don't find them any more squishy than my Thugs.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
further on the Naruto stuff, I like this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKKSNEu6TrQ
partly because it reminds me of something one of my Champions RPG characters did that resulted in one of the three people she'd killed the whole campaign (as compared to the other players)
Two of her kills were accidents (one got resurrected)
The third involved "killing" someone that won't stay dead while he is in his home dimension by tossing him out through the side of space ship (he was desolid at the time, but vulnerable to dimensional attacks, which was the base of the character's strength)
In this case, I was operating as a fast-brick (45 Str) with a boost in strength from one of my teammates (to about 55 or 60) using strength that did double KB when it hit and I haymakered (x 1.5 damage) into a minion type that was known to use two force fields and were thus annoying to take out...
I haymakered straight down.
so, the first bit of damage stunned the minion and shut off all his shields...the KB straight into the ground....well...
the Presence (fear) attack afterwards consisted of the words "Ummm....ooops?"
I seriously didn't realize they were that squishy
then I got the "you can't complain about us killing any more" lecture
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I don't actually have a problem with Dragonball Z/Kai's way of doing things. Truth be told, I've never been a fan of loads and loads of characters. And I will agree, the Shippuuden timeskip does indeed improve the character of Naruto. However, you are correct in that I don't read the manga, and all I have to go on is the highly, highly, HIGHLY declining quality of both the art style and the writing for the show. Maybe it doesn't do the manga justice. I wouldn't know. But the artists have been phoning it in pretty much since the Fire Temple filler, and it's only getting worse. People in the background are starting to look like the kind of faces I used to draw when I was six. This is getting to beyond Heavy Metal Movie levels of bad.|
Originally Posted by beyeajus
Gotta disagree on that one, I've followed the episodes and manga since the early times and I like Shippuuden more actually. Naruto doesn't act like a clown as much and it has a more serious feel to it. I don't know if you've kept up on the manga or are the type that doesn't want to ruin it for yourself, but it just keeps getting more and more intense to me. the only problem I can see with it is the same as DBZ, in the later on episodes previously cool characters like Shikamaru and Gaara/Piccolo and Tien, etc. all take a backseat to the 2 or 3 most powerful caracters.
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And the story so far is just... Blah. Maybe it's the stupid fillers with made-up non-canon ninja who fight with soap bubbles, maybe it's the Dragonball Z style WASTING OF MY TIME on pointless closeups and panorama shots that go on for 17 hours, maybe it's the Ghost in the Shell 2 overblown philosophy, or maybe it's the fact that I saw Naruto actually DO something for the first time in around 150 episodes, and he still ended up getting his *** kicked and getting talked down into a catatonic state of "I don't know how to achieve world peace, so Imma let this guy destroy cities to achieve his vision." To be honest, I preferred the idiot Naruto who was too stupid to quit and whose spirit was too strong to break, inspiring people who watched him. The current emo Naruto who basically ceases up with depression and confusion just because he can't give Pain a simple answer is just that - blah.
Do you realise that I watched four or five episodes, that's five weeks AT LEAST, of just about nothing? Pretty much the whole show tanked after the off-model fox episode. Afterwards, they talked for a full episode with, like, 2 minutes of action. Then people talked for a full episode, then Naruto and Pain talked for a full episode, then we saw two episode of Pain's flashbacks, none of which were necessary, and both of which looked like they were ret-cons, then we saw an episode of Narutos' flashbacks, and all of that to flashbacks THAT WE'D ALREADY SEEN LESS THAN 20 EPISODES AGO!!! Oh, but if that weren't bad enough, there was a two-week special FILLER in the middle of this, then they descended into about four episodes of filler. And now they're not airing an episode this week.
I have been sitting on my hands waiting for something to happen in this stupid show for TWO MONTHS now. If something doesn't happen soon, I'm done. I am so done.
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You should just read the manga if you don't like the art style of the anime. As for all the flashbacks and things in the Pain arc, yeah it happened in the manga too...can't remember how many chapters that took but it was probably 2.
As for the art style of the show, it doesn't seem so bad, IMO. Granted there are some episodes/battles that look pretty sloppy, there are other battles that are totally awesome.
But then, it's got nothing on Onepiece, IMO 
There's very little about that show I dislike. It's fast, fun, silly and yet has a deep story and the battles are always cool. Oh, and no DBZ-like character power-ups...but then I'm derailing the thread even more...Hmm...
PIRATE MASTERMIND!!!
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We'll see how it develops. I don't know why the budget was cut, but watching one of the oldest Naruto episodes alongside one of the newest Shippuuden episodes is depressing. The art STYLE has devolved into genericnessnessness and the art quality is such assnessness that it's depressing. But I still hope it could improve. In the meantime, I'll be watching D. Grey Man
To go back on topic. I do believe Naruto and anime in general ought to be considered a viable inspiration for at least SOME part of Ninja Masterminds, for the same reason things like Equilibrium and Wanted were considered for Dual Pistols - JUST guys in pyjamas is boring. One tier, sure. Two tiers, kind of. But at least the boss level henchman NEEDS to stand out. Whether the Oni in particular was a good call, I honestly don't know. I was never a fan, actually. And I'm not even against "just a guy," either, but this just a guy needs to stand out somehow. I keep bringing up the Commando because he ALMOST manages to stand out, but ends up being pretty unremarkable, all told.
Even if I were to agree that the boss level henchmen should actually be human and wrapped up in a pyjama, I still feel that his powers would need to be somehow WELL fantastic. Shadow clones, fast teleportation, elemental attacks, summons, you know the drill. If anything, Ninja Blade's Ken Ogawa might be a good fit, what with spells, super strength and the ability to ride a bike on the side of a bus both of which are falling through the air towards a giant monster. IF the boss level henchman will be a lot like the lieutenant level henchmen, then his abilities need to be so over the top in terms of visuals that they do stand out nevertheless.
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I think this is the true weakness of suggestions and ideas threads...
When we encounter a good one we can reach a consensus on, there's really not much else about the idea to discuss.
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There should be a new pet set.
It should have only one tier of pet.
This guy;
*Imagines Sir Integra walking into Unionside Pocket D*
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I have a level 50 Ninja MM and I have never really liked the Oni in terms of fitting the theme. As was mentioned early in the thread, I love the idea of replacing the Oni with a Stalker type, it just seems so much more appropriate.
I must be doing something wrong. I have had a lvl 50 ninja/ta for a few years and he mostly sits in dust as I grow weary of respawning dead ninjas. The oni stands strong. Maybe slotting, maybe syle of play (I slot TA for max debuff and the pets, well damage mainly I think a few of the pet procs are in there somewhere...) but it just didn't hit it off for me. Only reason he is still around is his costume and concept I loved too much to let go.
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I must be doing something wrong. I have had a lvl 50 ninja/ta for a few years and he mostly sits in dust as I grow weary of respawning dead ninjas. The oni stands strong. Maybe slotting, maybe syle of play (I slot TA for max debuff and the pets, well damage mainly I think a few of the pet procs are in there somewhere...) but it just didn't hit it off for me. Only reason he is still around is his costume and concept I loved too much to let go.
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Generally I see the Genin and jounin having the biggest trouble since they are purely reliant on their defenses.
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I can't stand the Oni simply because of its name. When I hear the word Oni I think of a giant brute with a big spiked club. Not a skinny little sorcerer with a silly face.
Branching Paragon Police Department Epic Archetype, please!
When the color of the Oni matches my outfit....then I'll be happy Right now his red color is seriously crampin' my style 
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I've been done with this thread for quite awhile as the discussion of naruto dwindled my interest in the subject greatly. My ninja MM will just continue to collect dust while I bring him out to solo mission for fun every now and again.
Well, in order to breath a bit of new life into this thread on the actual (and the original subject of a replacement for the oni) beyond the topic of buffing ninja.
As mentioned, it would not be breaking the cottage rule to replace a pet, as long as the pet had the same base function (which for pets in of themselves is hazy) and had powers that would accept the same enhancement types.
So I give you a more detailed look at the idea of replacing the Oni with a Kunoichi. (forgive the sloppy edit jobs and praetorian background. (But when you're working with mostly dark colors the other two are difficult)
Kunoichi: You can call a single Kunoichi to aid you in battle, a kunoichi is a highly skilled female ninja with mastery over shadows, illusion, poison, and martial arts. You may have only 1 Kunoichi under your control at a time, if you attempt to summon another one, it will fail.
Recharge: Very Long (2 min)
Minimum level: 26
Effects: Summon Kunoichi
Basic Powers:
-Resistances (21% defense to Melee, Ranged, AoE, and Psionic at lvl 50, 26.14% resistance to Toxic and Psionic at lvl 50, 50% Resisance to Confuse, 4.0 Confusion Protection, -400% taunt duration, +50% run speed)
-Body Blow (kinetic melee)
-Spectral Wounds (Illusion control)
-Alkaloid (Poison)
Train Powers:
-Quick Strike (Kinetic Melee)
-Crush (Gravity Control)*
-Repulsing Torrent (Kinetic Melee)
(Tropes Splash of Color and Sleeves are for Wimps invoked!)
Equip Powers:
-Blind (Illusion)
-Weaken (Poison)**
-Shadow Fall (Dark Miasma)
(Front)
(Back, to show it's not just any cape but the single shoulder cape)
*Sorry, it was hard to figure out a thematically fitting immobilize power. I had considered Tenebrous Tentacles or Web Grenade, but the former kind of stepped on the toes of the lich too much and web grenade didn't do any damage.
**While not giving direct mez protection, this does weaken an enemy's control durations, the only power I know of that does so, plus to give her a nasty hurty poison.
Also, the appearances, like a lot of this post, is all basically one use rough idea. I know her appearance might piss some folks off as not being true to historical kunoichi, or maybe being too boring, etc. etc. But this was something I was throwing together in a couple minutes.
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I don't find that badass at all unfortunately. In fact I find it quite silly. The way I see Naruto is basically Dragonball Z pretending it's a "ninja".
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Overpowered supergod characters like Hellsing's Alucard are cool, and made cool by their personality, appearance, and the destruction porn their battles produce. The badasses are the ones who will have three broken limbs and still drag two people to safety. Badass isn't blowing up a building. Badass is having a building fall on you, then crawling out and punching the guy that did it.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Hmm... A girl ninja-wizard. I like. I like. I guess that's a good alternative to Ken Ogawa, the one man army of destruction who can land a plane with his bare hands. I guess Kinetic Melee is a thematic fit for such a Mastermind, and the fact that she's a girl ought to stand out enough.
This I could get behind.
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Nice costume, ASC, but....
As much as I hate the way this will make me sound, but, she isn't showing enough skin >_>
I think using the shorter shorts option might give you something to use with the legs. The first costume is a good starting point but the 1st upgrade would look more stylized, agile and feminine with some leg.
But I just finished lvling up my MA/SD Scrap (his new tail, face hair and his new tech armor look great with the Vanguard shield) and am moving on to my DB/Nin stalker and I think I'll steal that costume (modified of course) for her base 'natural' costume.
I guess I'll post a picture if I like the results 
It won't be done because the devs will never change a power in a power set simply for aesthetic reasons.
They had to change Electric Armor's Conserve Power into Energize because tanks would have been able to double up on it, essentially getting perma Conserve Power (a feat that is currently impossible)
Energy Mastery for brutes and stalkers got Superior Conditioning for the exact same reason.
A more effective third tier pet in all respects to the current one is not simply "aesthetic" though that's certainly integrated into the overall change.
As a random side note, it's always an amusing when someone speaks for the devs.