Well, since this seems to be a thread about wistful thinking for ninjas... Here's my own proposals...
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Powers: All of them need KB protection. Since they're mostly melee oriented pets, lacking KB protection can be a big problem, and none of the secondaries give KB protection. Possibly immobilize to.
Furthermore, their need a massive defense buff, by level fifty all ninja have their defense increased by... About 1.9%, this does not even bring Genin out of the woeful single digits. Worst of all, other Pets that use Defense such as the Enforcers of the Thugs MMs and Protector bots grant higher defense buffs out of the box than the genin do at level fifty. By the time you get your second enforcer or protector bot who stacks this defense buff, they grant more defense than your jounin have at level fifty. Oh, and they can be slotted for defense buffs, making their ally/self defense buffing EVEN STRONGER as the buff's defense boost also increases with the MM's level. Something SERIOUSLY needs to be done.
Genin-
Art: Genin lost their equip graphics change when it was decided genin should not have archery, those losing a quiver they got. This was pretty sad since I tend to look forward to how a minion changes appearance with each upgrade, and thugs, right now, are the most visually impressive. Plus, I think with the Samurai vet reward costume pieces and martial arts booster, they could stand to look much better.
Powers: I will say right now that I never liked exploding Shuriken, perhaps if it could be changed into a long ranged cone of a handful of Shuriken?
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Powers: The jounin could be compared to the Zombies Grave Knights... Except Grave Knights have a ranged attack out of the box. In the end this isn't such a big deal since by the time you get your first jounin, you'd have had your first upgrade for six levels, but it Caltrops does not strike me as a decent ranged attack or much in the way of area denial or mitigation.
Edit: Another problem with the wrist crossbow (besides it kind of sticking out an awful lot on the jounin's costume) is that it forces redraw, one possible solution might be to replace this poison dart with either similar animation of the origin temp powers (which do not cause redraw) or possibly giving them the Syndicate Sword Master's ranged sword attack.
Art: Okay, not a pressing issue as the genin, but like the genin, I think their appearence could stand for an upgrade with the help of the Samurai Vet reward and MA booster pieces, maybe have one of their upgrades involve getting a sleeveless baggy top with the irezumi/yakuza tattoos like the Tsoo enforcers have. I think this might make them look a bit more interesting as Sam puts it.
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Right here: "Summons an ancient and powerful Oni, a formidable creature who possesses the skill of a warrior and the powers of wind and fire. You may only have 1 Oni under your control at any given time. If you attempt to summon another Oni, the power will fail."|
Originally Posted by beyeajus
really? I've never read that anywhere before, or maybe missed it somewhere. Where's he described as wind and fire?
It would be cool if he had some sort of Kamitachi powers... |
Like I said, either remove the wind part from the description, or maybe give him some wind powers like O2 Boost to help his ninja buddies, or Gale to knock foes down, or Hurricane... To... Know them down more... Or maybe something like Water Spout/Dust Devil or just tornado.
Art: I will say I do kind of like the Oni, maybe that's because on my ninja MM, I gave him a name (Vibhishana, bonus points if you'd get WHY I named him that) and a back story. But I think he could stand to be a bit bulkier, if only to make his head not look so disproportionate with the rest of his body. Perhaps he could also stand to get a large, folded cloth belt like what the Tsoo or CoT wear, and maybe some cool gloves. Oh, on something not quite related to the oni exactly, but who do I have to kill to get his "open shirt" top or those shoulder pieces? Do I have to PVP and kill an hundred oni of other MMs to unlock it? Because I will if that's what it takes.
Edit: And just for the sake of completion, would I have to do the same to get his fiery katana? Because I'll do it. By god it might take me years, but I will become a hardcore @#$tard PVPer to GET THOSE COSTUME PIECES AND CUSTOMIZATIONS.
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It may not be unique, but it brought said imagery to the masses... and children no less. So an entire generation and then some see ninjas as a mythical joke with supernatural powers, stoic dispositions, "Cool" outfits, and a role in public society.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
What image is that? There's not much imagery unique to that show. Exploding tags, illusionary replicas, log replacement, oversized shuriken, the magical hand-gesture techniques, elemental magics, etc. have been around for quite some time.
What, is someone going to suggest the third tier ninja be a blond guy in an orange jacket? That image might be Naruto-centric. Or it might be ripped from one of the 3 Ninjas movies. |
And the tengu? Nose Assault would be simply epic.
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It may not be unique, but it brought said imagery to the masses... and children no less. So an entire generation and then some see ninjas as a mythical joke with supernatural powers, stoic dispositions, "Cool" outfits, and a role in public society.
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jounin do have that arm-crossbow (which would be yet another awesome costume piece to have |
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
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Powers: The jounin could be compared to the Zombies Grave Knights... Except Grave Knights have a ranged attack out of the box. In the end this isn't such a big deal since by the time you get your first jounin, you'd have had your first upgrade for six levels, but it Caltrops does not strike me as a decent ranged attack or much in the way of area denial or mitigation. |
) that does minor damage and -regen. Oh wait, nvm, I get what you mean.Good call on the 02boost for a wind power, Gale would be a pain though. Freezing rain would be cool, but it would probably replace Rain of Fire, which does the most OSA lighting in /TA user's cases.
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Actually, quite a few ninja, to my understanding, had day jobs as medicine men and so forth. So they had quite a role in public society. ... Just not at ninja.|
Originally Posted by SenseiBlur
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As a fun fact: The black pajamas are portrayed as wearing was started by kabuki theater as the dress of stage hands. These stage hands were, of course, not meant to be noticed, so imagine the TWEEST when one would suddenly step out, into the stage with a knife and kill one of the characters. They had effectively been invisible in the mind's eye.
It's even possible that as this idea became popularized, some ninja might have chosen to occasionally wear it to deliberately distract people from their actual disguise and possibly take advantage of it in numbers creating the myths about "shadow clones".
Don't take my word though on the latter statement, I think in my mind, part of being a ninja involved a small sense of theatrics as well as covert skills.
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Or the previous generation's concept of extremely obvious ninja who stroll around in broad daylight and engage in open combat with long swords and inept fisticuffs. Ninja in 80s movies, if they have any dignity at all, act more like Samurai, and for the most part act like common thugs anyway.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
As compared to the previous green, anthropomorphic pizza-eating joke ninja given to the masses and children? Naruto is, at least, a step up in the badassery department - a more lighthearted take on Ninja Scroll and Samurai Showdown-esque ninja.
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Ninja were assassins who used disguise and hidden weapons, in much the same way as Altair from Assassin's Creed. The Splinter Cell/Metal Gear version of stealth ain't it. So even ninja as we have them now are a product of popular fiction. So if it'll be popular fiction, why choose 80s shot-on-shiteo shlock instead of 2000s absurd anime?
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I agree with most of this. Ninja can stand to be made a little tougher for lack of any real support from the primary (henchmen or Mastermind), and that's across the board. I am also on board with the "fistful of shuriken" idea. Sorry to bring up Naruto, but that show set up a good precedent for a "hail of shuriken" technique that basically involves throwing many shurike in a cloud of projectiles, something which can work similar to Empty Clips.|
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
All ninja-
Powers: All of them need KN protection. Since they're mostly melee oriented pets, lacking KB protection can be a big problem, and none of the secondaries give KB protection. Possibly immobilize to. Furthermore, their need a massive defense buff, by level fifty all ninja have their defense increased by... About 1.9%, this does not even bring Genin out of the woeful single digits. Worst of all, other Pets that use Defense such as the Enforcers of the Thugs MMs and Protector bots grant higher defense buffs out of the box than the genin do at level fifty. By the time you get your second enforcer or protector bot who stacks this defense buff, they grant more defense than your jounin have at level fifty. Oh, and they can be slotted for defense buffs, making their ally/self defense buffing EVEN STRONGER as the buff's defense boost also increases with the MM's level. Something SERIOUSLY needs to be done. Genin- Art: Genin lost their equip graphics change when it was decided genin should not have archery, those losing a quiver they got. This was pretty sad since I tend to look forward to how a minion changes appearance with each upgrade, and thugs, right now, are the most visually impressive. Plus, I think with the Samurai vet reward costume pieces and martial arts booster, they could stand to look much better. Powers: I will say right now that I never liked exploding Shuriken, perhaps if it could be changed into a long ranged cone of a handful of Shuriken? Jounin- Powers: The jounin could be compared to the Zombies Grave Knights... Except Grave Knights have a ranged attack out of the box. In the end this isn't such a big deal since by the time you get your first jounin, you'd have had your first upgrade for six levels, but it Caltrops does not strike me as a decent ranged attack or much in the way of area denial or mitigation. Art: Okay, not a pressing issue as the genin, but like the genin, I think their appearence could stand for an upgrade with the help of the Samurai Vet reward and MA booster pieces, maybe have one of their upgrades involve getting a sleeveless baggy top with the irezumi/yakuza tattoos like the Tsoo enforcers have. I think this might make them look a bit more interesting as Sam puts it. |
The Jounin does have a ranged attack. Unfortunately, it puts his weapon away, screwing his AI up an causing him to get stuck just cycling that crossbow attack. Bad move on the developers' part, because invariably when I hit him with Smokeflash, he uses that damn crossbow. You know, instead of Rising Dragon. Jerk!
As far as costumes go, I would be very much against using Samurai armour on any of the ninja with the possible exception of the Oni. Ninja are not samurai, and they should rely mostly on dodging attacks, not on heavy armour. I will, however, agree with improving them with the Ninja pack items, especially their face masks. They can stand to be so, so much better.
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Well, the problem is more that they're first ranged attack requires the first upgrade, which is not such a big deal. But as a random thought about the redraw, on possibility could be to give them the Syndicate Sword Master's ranged katana attack. It strays a bit from the ninja theme, but would remove the redraw issue, and honestly, when you get right down to it, ninja tend to be just as much about surprise as stealth, and what's more surprising that showing someone that they're not safe from your sword even a hundred feet away.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
The Jounin does have a ranged attack. Unfortunately, it puts his weapon away, screwing his AI up an causing him to get stuck just cycling that crossbow attack. Bad move on the developers' part, because invariably when I hit him with Smokeflash, he uses that damn crossbow. You know, instead of Rising Dragon. Jerk!
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As far as costumes go, I would be very much against using Samurai armour on any of the ninja with the possible exception of the Oni. Ninja are not samurai, and they should rely mostly on dodging attacks, not on heavy armour. I will, however, agree with improving them with the Ninja pack items, especially their face masks. They can stand to be so, so much better.
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Yeah, it's a legacy problem. Most of the game's pets have been reduced to a single weapon (historically, Jack Frost's Ice Sword getting the Greater Ice Sword weapon so he didn't have to redraw), but the Jonin just hasn't been "fixed" yet. There's no reason why the Crossbow can't be on his right hand, so he can fire it without putting away his sword. The only reason it's on his left hand is because Knives carry it on their left hands, and the only reason they do is because they hold their, um... Knives in the right.|
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Well, the problem is more that they're first ranged attack requires the first upgrade, which is not such a big deal. But as a random thought about the redraw, on possibility could be to give them the Syndicate Sword Master's ranged katana attack. It strays a bit from the ninja theme, but would remove the redraw issue, and honestly, when you get right down to it, ninja tend to be just as much about surprise as stealth, and what's more surprising that showing someone that they're not safe from your sword even a hundred feet away.
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Hell, the Medic started shooting his HAND grenades from his rifle to avoid redraw. Why can't the Jonin?
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Well, I would more mean the arm and shin guards, this is partly spoken from having made a few "ninja" costumes myself which I felt came out pretty nicely. And since they're already dressed in smoke grey and such, why not have some armor on a part of your body you might block with? But I see your point. |
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They should make the Commando more like Heavy Weapons Guy from Team Fortress 2. Giant minigun, Cone fear attack of 'Cry some moar!' and a self heal; Sandvhich.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
As far as Mercenaries go, they are BEYOND BORING. The only thing that saves them is that I love the sound of gunfire and Mercenaries feel like they're firing guns CONSTANTLY. But as far as final henchmen go, the Commando is easily the most boring. All he is is just another guy (with a frankengun, no less) and nothing more. I really don't know what you could add for what is effectively soldiers, but I'd have liked something like a PPD shell or some such. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Commando is fun as a reference, but as far as "the big guy" goes, it's sorely lacking.
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but still. Who doesn't love giant miniguns? Called Sascha?
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If we're making pie-in-the-sky suggestions, it'd be kind of cool if instead of pet customization (since that's apparently never going to happen), you get to customize your army by choosing different pets.
What I mean is, each set and tier would have a couple of choices to pick from upon picking the power (i.e. you're locked into the choice unless you respec).
For example, in robotics, maybe the tier 1 pet could have a choice of the current Battle Drones, a hover-bot sort of like what the Council gets that's equipped with an ion cannon (energy blast) or a Jumpbot-esque type with energy melee attacks.
For Ninjas-
tier 1: Current Sword wielding Genin + arrow attacks
Bare-handed fighter Genin with no ranged attacks but an ability called "Blade Grasp" that basically improves their melee and ranged defense
Archer Genin with more archery attacks and little melee
tier 2: Current Jounin with high katana attacks...oh, and GIVE HIM TELEPORT! (without the flash, of course)
Kunoichi with some kinetic melee (or dual blades) + maybe some illusion powers
tier 3: Oni, I think he's cool as is, although I don't like the dress he wears...give him a bit more muscle, cooler clothes and he's cool
Tengu, like someone else said. Hmmm, what powers could it have?
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
They should make the Commando more like Heavy Weapons Guy from Team Fortress 2. Giant minigun, Cone fear attack of 'Cry some moar!' and a self heal; Sandvhich.
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What I'm surprised about, though, is that you're the guy who's suggested power armour several times over and yet you gloss over my suggestion to make him a PPD Swat style power armour soldier with arm-mounted cannons? Duuude!
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Yeah, because it doesn't actually gel that well with the rest of the set, if ya think about it. If they were all Sky Raider-esque mercs, then yeah, that'd work. As it is? An all-purpose veteran with a rocket launcher slung over his shoulder, custom-job gun that looks like it should be banned by UN treaty, and a 'Born to Kill' aura that doesn't need writing down. He just looks like trouble. |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
You know... If the Commando actually had a minigun, I might actually enjoy the set a lot more
What I'm surprised about, though, is that you're the guy who's suggested power armour several times over and yet you gloss over my suggestion to make him a PPD Swat style power armour soldier with arm-mounted cannons? Duuude! |
Problem is, the current one doesn't look all that cool. Assault Bot? The biggest one, cannon-arms and a freaking rocket launcher mounted on each shoulder. Lich? Big, cloaked, skeletal thingy of nastiness. Demon Prince? Big. Cold. Freaking big. Thugs? The fuly upgraded Bruiser looks perfectly in place and also pretty badass.
Oni and Commando are the two I don't like, simply looks wise. They just don't have enough umph.
Also Sam, I'd rather we got the PPD armour with arm mounted guns than yet another NPC get it to wave in our faces
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According to whom? Last official word I heard was that 'It's being worked on, and it's also quite hard to do so it works well, so it may take a while.'|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
If we're making pie-in-the-sky suggestions, it'd be kind of cool if instead of pet customization (since that's apparently never going to happen)-
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Never that it was impossible. Just enough so that we don't have blue smurf zombies.
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the toon i play is a ninja/dark as well, and i NEVER had need of the goto command, i just tell them to attack my target and they kill it, never had any problems with them, and like mentioned the oni is basically a fire/fire blaster with a hold, immob and some good AoE dmg that balances out the very single target nature of the rest of the ninjas
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Originally Posted by SenseiBlur
I'm ninja/dark. I'm very busy as well, I use my go to button extensively :P
And I meant boring in the sense that he was talking about (AKA "Boo hoo we can't have 6 ninjas"). I love everything about it except the half-***** felt oni. |
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Only reason I used go to is because I played my ninja MM back in the days when they would sit at ranged and use the same attack over and over, never running into melee. It's stuck with me and I rather like forcing them into melee so they don't use their ranged attacks ever :P
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
the toon i play is a ninja/dark as well, and i NEVER had need of the goto command, i just tell them to attack my target and they kill it, never had any problems with them, and like mentioned the oni is basically a fire/fire blaster with a hold, immob and some good AoE dmg that balances out the very single target nature of the rest of the ninjas
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I can't see Naruto as any sort of badassery..... sorry. >.>
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
As compared to the previous green, anthropomorphic pizza-eating joke ninja given to the masses and children? Naruto is, at least, a step up in the badassery department - a more lighthearted take on Ninja Scroll and Samurai Showdown-esque ninja.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Actually, quite a few ninja, to my understanding, had day jobs as medicine men and so forth. So they had quite a role in public society. ... Just not at ninja.
As a fun fact: The black pajamas are portrayed as wearing was started by kabuki theater as the dress of stage hands. These stage hands were, of course, not meant to be noticed, so imagine the TWEEST when one would suddenly step out, into the stage with a knife and kill one of the characters. They had effectively been invisible in the mind's eye. It's even possible that as this idea became popularized, some ninja might have chosen to occasionally wear it to deliberately distract people from their actual disguise and possibly take advantage of it in numbers creating the myths about "shadow clones". Don't take my word though on the latter statement, I think in my mind, part of being a ninja involved a small sense of theatrics as well as covert skills. |
I know full well what real ninjas did, and the illusions they created to send stories out in public to make them seem supernatural, that's one of the greatest aspects of it. I'm sure there were many ninjas that were great actors, probably illusionists rivaling Houdini.
The ninja costume is obviously a myth in it's entirety, they would wear whatever helps them get the job done. Common sense should say that much.
The closest modern adaptation to -real- ninjas were the ones in "The Last Samurai" in my opinion. I'm probably going to catch flack for this but I was impressed at their accuracy for the tactics and weaponry that was popular for use (few things missing like kama). Granted, there probably would not have been a full army of ninjas, but I'm willing to let that one slide for intense fight scene purposes :P
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gotta have love for Basilisk though, love that show.
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when you get down to it, each country has basically privatized its military with allowances for people to hire out its soldiers for all sorts of tasks...this includes people from other countries...the only set that really follows the spy and assassin reputation of ninja from other traditions are the Anbu, most of whose faces you never see (or at least think you never see...for all we know, when they're not on duty as Anbu, they're walking around like common ninja)
Basilisk...gah, saw one disk at anime at the alamo and that is all I want to ever see...
as to the ninja set, haven't played it much yet, but I can't say I have a problem with oni, reminds me of Tenchu Stealth Assassin
Also, the "oddball" comment wasn't that every set needed something oddball, but was specifically talking about ninja set because the first two powers are rather vanilla (ninjas are the ultimate in faceless goons) so having something stand out at the end is appropriate...
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Well, to another extent, I think some ninja may have been under actual employ of various shogun and even emperor. But whether they could be considered public even by the extent of a Shogun bragging/warning they might have them (as an intimidation/deterrent) in their arsenal or not is another matter entirely.
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Day jobs do not = role in pubic society. People did not look at a guy (who was secretly an assassin/ninja) and be able to tell "Oh, this guy is a ninja, we should kill him".
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That one I'll grant you. I don't know about the taunting but there were definitely assassins employed by the shogun, I suppose that could be considered public.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Well, to another extent, I think some ninja may have been under actual employ of various shogun and even emperor. But whether they could be considered public even by the extent of a Shogun bragging/warning they might have them (as an intimidation/deterrent) in their arsenal or not is another matter entirely.
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I'd say you have a very strange world view if, putting shonen trips and tropes aside, techniques that range from city-destroying brute force to the finesse of killing someone a thousand times in their own mind don't count as "badassery". Or possibly a world view that simply eschews the fantastic (like those sticks that hang around in mud |
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I can't see Naruto as any sort of badassery..... sorry. >.>
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). A non-fantastic Ninja mastermind would basically be a guy followed around by a group of poorly-dressed Batmans. In such a powerset, I would want the third tier pet to get a filament-noose DoT hold (since insta-kills are out of the question).And it definitely sounds like Ninjas are getting gypped on defense.
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And it definitely sounds like Ninjas are getting gypped on defense.
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Jounin defense at level fifty: 13.94% to all positional with no defense debuff resistance.
Gypped does not even begin to cover it. This also assumes that they're getting this at the MM's level fifty, and not at the lower level cap that the first two minion pet tiers have. (48 for first tier and 49 for second)
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As long as the replacement pet would do the same sort of effects the Oni currently does (immobs, AoE damage, etc), then the cottage rule would have no bearing on the decision.
The cottage rule does not mean "No changes," it means "No changing the inherent effects of a power." To follow on Castle's original example, changing Build Up from a +DMG/+ToHit power to a "Builds a cottage" power violates the rule. However, changing it from a +DMG/+ToHit power to a +DMG/+ToHit/+Builds a cottage power is completely legit. Silly, but still perfectly okay in the eyes of the cottage rule.
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What, is someone going to suggest the third tier ninja be a blond guy in an orange jacket? That image might be Naruto-centric. Or it might be ripped from one of the 3 Ninjas movies.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
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