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Thanks. I imagine claws or straight MA or even katana or dual blades could work decently as well. I mean redraw doesn't seem to be much an issue for the existing Oni. However I kind of figured it might be best to make use of some of the new powers and fit the kind of mystical aspects that, if I recall, tend to follow the kunoichi a bit more than the standard male ninja.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Hmm... A girl ninja-wizard. I like. I like. I guess that's a good alternative to Ken Ogawa, the one man army of destruction who can land a plane with his bare hands. I guess Kinetic Melee is a thematic fit for such a Mastermind, and the fact that she's a girl ought to stand out enough.
This I could get behind. |
(Though this may be a bit born from old sexist views that if a female ninja can be as effective if not more than a male, surely some kind of magic is involved. Mostly likely of the black variety! Besides, that kunoichi turned me into a newt!)
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Nice costume, ASC, but....
As much as I hate the way this will make me sound, but, she isn't showing enough skin >_> I think using the shorter shorts option might give you something to use with the legs. The first costume is a good starting point but the 1st upgrade would look more stylized, agile and feminine with some leg. |
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
am moving on to my DB/Nin stalker and I think I'll steal that costume (modified of course) for her base 'natural' costume.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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To avoid large quotes, let me do this - on the subject of more skin:
I will break tradition with myself and disagree. One of the cool things about the ninja in Naruto is that a lot of the time, they look like ordinary people. A girl in a dress, a dude in slacks. Nothing out of the ordinary. Only if you actually look closer, you notice they're wearing chain mail under their clothes and they have suspicious puches on their belt and wait! What's that? A forehead protector with an insignia?
What I like about this one, especially the original, is she looks... Fairly normal, unless you look closely and notice the chain mail. In fact, I'd suggest you go Tights with the mesh pattern and go grey over black to imitate DENSE chain mail. I'll see if I can't come up with something of my own when I get back home.
However, I will say this - while I enjoy seeing ninja who have no real protection and rely mostly on their skill to protect them, having this lady dressed in chain mail under her clothes, rather than bare limbs, has a bit of appeal to it, and it's that kind of appeal she would need to stand out.
By the way - I would really suggest using the Martial Arts pack robes. They look significantly better.
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You missed 'while laughing like an utter maniac, beating people with your own dismemebered limbs and punching them so hard their own mother bleeds' |
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Clawing your way through earth when you should be near-dead or at least unconscious, just to give your opponent the biggest uppercut of his life... You have an extremely different view of badass than I do.
Overpowered supergod characters like Hellsing's Alucard are cool, and made cool by their personality, appearance, and the destruction porn their battles produce. The badasses are the ones who will have three broken limbs and still drag two people to safety. Badass isn't blowing up a building. Badass is having a building fall on you, then crawling out and punching the guy that did it. |
Oh, and catching a bullet in your teeth, wise cracking about it, and making your opponent run screaming like a girl.
Alright, she was a girl, but even so...she was badass herself. XD
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When I say 'leg', I'm talking about non-bulky stuff (i.e. not tucked-in pants or the dome shorts). You can have skin-tight armor or chainmail under a pair of shorts (that's the shorts/skirts with skin option) which is what I'm talking about.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
To avoid large quotes, let me do this - on the subject of more skin:
I will break tradition with myself and disagree. One of the cool things about the ninja in Naruto is that a lot of the time, they look like ordinary people. A girl in a dress, a dude in slacks. Nothing out of the ordinary. Only if you actually look closer, you notice they're wearing chain mail under their clothes and they have suspicious puches on their belt and wait! What's that? A forehead protector with an insignia? What I like about this one, especially the original, is she looks... Fairly normal, unless you look closely and notice the chain mail. In fact, I'd suggest you go Tights with the mesh pattern and go grey over black to imitate DENSE chain mail. I'll see if I can't come up with something of my own when I get back home. However, I will say this - while I enjoy seeing ninja who have no real protection and rely mostly on their skill to protect them, having this lady dressed in chain mail under her clothes, rather than bare limbs, has a bit of appeal to it, and it's that kind of appeal she would need to stand out. By the way - I would really suggest using the Martial Arts pack robes. They look significantly better. |
The only issue I'd run into is not having any kind of thigh holster/sheath or combat knife on the boot or *something* to spice up that lower portion. I'm guessing the shin guards might help though. When I get a chance to play with it, I'll post it but I'm not a super good costume editor
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
But did they change the way Invulnerability actually works in order to make it more evil? No, it stayed exactly the same as it was for tanks and scrappers. That was a purely aesthetic change that had nothing to do with how the powers work.
What the OP is talking about is a change to the way the 3rd tier Ninjas henchman functions and behaves, as well as a visual change. That is significantly more than just changing the color of a power. And the change is being requested simply because the OP doesn't like the current tier 3 pet. I don't see that as being a good enough reason by itself to change it. |
Unless one has a varied definition of 'aesthetic', it usually just means appearance.
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Originally Posted by Kasoh
Yes, I agree, I just mentioned it because you said, "It won't be done because the devs will never change a power in a power set simply for aesthetic reasons."
Unless one has a varied definition of 'aesthetic', it usually just means appearance. |
Since it is his dislike of it that prompted his suggestion to change it, it becomes a request based on aesthetic reasons.
It's like me suggesting that they change the design of the Ford Taurus because I don't like the way it looks, but being unable to show that there is anything actually wrong with it's design.
That's what I meant.
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I only added it this past weekend. It's the first picture of Chaos-chan, drawn by Mr-Culexus. He's also got a few pictures on DeviantArt that make a sort-of short comic. How Chaos-chan serves Khorne. Where the waffle-eater comes from.
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How long have you had "Waffles for the Blood God" in your sig? I love it!
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
I would totally ditch the Oni for Ninja Monkey!
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Interesting design, but the dialogue physically hurts me to read in that "accented" speech. I still think the Blood God is pretty cute, though, for a chimera... Thing |
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
I only added it this past weekend. It's the first picture of Chaos-chan, drawn by Mr-Culexus. He's also got a few pictures on DeviantArt that make a sort-of short comic. How Chaos-chan serves Khorne. Where the waffle-eater comes from.
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Okay, just got home and played with stuff for a few minutes. I'm not married to the colors though, but I didn't want to go black and red.|
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
NO! AS SOMEONE WITH MINOR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, I COMMAND YOU TO POST A PICTURE OF THE CHARACTER OR I WILL SUE YOU FOR... ONE MIIIIILLION INFLUENCE!
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#1 is more a copy of the previous costume but with smaller shorts instead of the longer ones and #2 shows more 'skin' by using a short belly-shirt with mesh underneath. Both use the 'black tights with light grey mesh' suggested by Sam which looks better, IMO.
It is a bit too dark, though. Might need to change the reaper mask color. What do you think?
PS: Just to clarify, she's not really a 'ninja magic' type...more a brawler (she's Dual Blades) so I think the other posted costume works good for that but do you think this one fits a 'fighter ninja' concept better?
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Like the episode where Alucard's opponent/victim was trying to shoot down the plane he was flying, only to realize that he was flying it directly at them. that scene rules.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Clawing your way through earth when you should be near-dead or at least unconscious, just to give your opponent the biggest uppercut of his life... You have an extremely different view of badass than I do.
Overpowered supergod characters like Hellsing's Alucard are cool, and made cool by their personality, appearance, and the destruction porn their battles produce. The badasses are the ones who will have three broken limbs and still drag two people to safety. Badass isn't blowing up a building. Badass is having a building fall on you, then crawling out and punching the guy that did it. |
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Maybe it's because it's a bit closer on what I designed, but I kind of like the first one better as feeling a bit more "ninja"-ish. And I know how you might feel about the reaper's mask, but it's sadly the only way I've seen to simulate something like a large scarf that also conceals the cape's anchor point.
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I have to agree on the first one, yes. The second one just looks more like a pretty girl showing off than the more serious ninja look of the second. Granted, there are a few ninja that do this on purpose *coughMaiShiranuiCough*... Sorry, must have caught a cold or something. Anyway, I'm not saying that's not a legitimate look, but I just feel that having a girl there stands out enough that we don't have to do the mood whiplash by going from 1980s ninja to 2000s anime all in one step. I like variety as much as the next guy, and I definitely like anime, but switching to a girl, to me, is enough.
That said, I HATE the gloves. If there's one thing I can't stand it's having an upper body texture that comes to the seam line with the lower arms and then goes straight to skin. Personally, I'd prefer a glove that covered up the skin, which the Tai gloves actually do supply as an alternative. Leather or wraps, it doesn't matter, just as long as the seam isn't so glaringly obvious.
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I enjoy both, but what the 2nd one really lacks is variety. If I were to draw her, I'd probably add a long sword sheath to her back, maybe another shorter one on the back of her belt at a horizontal angle and probably a strap around one of the legs that had some kunai knives on the outer thigh.|
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Maybe it's because it's a bit closer on what I designed, but I kind of like the first one better as feeling a bit more "ninja"-ish. And I know how you might feel about the reaper's mask, but it's sadly the only way I've seen to simulate something like a large scarf that also conceals the cape's anchor point.
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I'd also opt for just knee guards with smaller shoes rather than the knee/shin guards+boots thing going on. But none of those options are available in the game so it ends up being rather bland.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
That said, I HATE the gloves. If there's one thing I can't stand it's having an upper body texture that comes to the seam line with the lower arms and then goes straight to skin. Personally, I'd prefer a glove that covered up the skin, which the Tai gloves actually do supply as an alternative. Leather or wraps, it doesn't matter, just as long as the seam isn't so glaringly obvious. |
Now I'd definitely go with full gloves if it had some kind of tools/weapons tucked in them behind the forearm or something like that (with the fingers open as well), but again, no option like that available.
Personally, I think that the teir 1 ninjas should get the Katana set instead of MA, the teir 2 should be Dual Blades, and the teir 3 should be some sort of ninja master with archery/trick arrow and possibly some sort of fire bomb ability.
They could all use their defense being buffed tremendously and also new outfits all around.
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Originally Posted by DLancer
Personally, I think that the teir 1 ninjas should get the Katana set instead of MA, the teir 2 should be Dual Blades, and the teir 3 should be some sort of ninja master with archery/trick arrow and possibly some sort of fire bomb ability.
They could all use their defense being buffed tremendously and also new outfits all around. |
And an Archery/TA feels like it wouldn't work with the whole ninja thing. (neverminding the MM them self who can get TA)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Well, by that logic, shouldn't the boss tier henchmen get Triple Blades?
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Originally Posted by DLancer
Personally, I think that the teir 1 ninjas should get the Katana set instead of MA, the teir 2 should be Dual Blades, and the teir 3 should be some sort of ninja master with archery/trick arrow and possibly some sort of fire bomb ability.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Well, by that logic, shouldn't the boss tier henchmen get Triple Blades?
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Also sword-chuks.
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That's not the blood god. That's a daemonspawn reincarnation of a Chaos Space Marine that fell in love with Cultist-chan in his previous life, who foolishly went to Tzeentch (god of "screw you") for help. "Waffles for the blood god" is a riff on the classic Chaos battlecry "Blood for the blood god!"|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Interesting design, but the dialogue physically hurts me to read in that "accented" speech. I still think the Blood God is pretty cute, though, for a chimera... Thing
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The blood god is Khorne, depicted by Mr-Culexus here (NSFW language). I believe this is an official Games Workshop picture of Khorne, but I don't actually own any of the books, so I'm just guessing now.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
So... We can all agree ninjas need a bit more something to help them out in terms of dismal defenses, right?
So... what now? Do we PM Castle or someone?
I mean I know power sets are supposed to be balanced against themselves and not eachother, and MM primaries are also supposed to be additionally balanced against the secondaries, but ninjas still seem to lack a lot of survivability in the same manner as mercs offense is dismal.
And from what I've seen, as each issue passes and new powersets are made, newer power sets generally 'feel' (and just as often actually are) better than most of the ones that have come before.
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Out with the old, in with the new... as they say.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
And from what I've seen, as each issue passes and new powersets are made, newer power sets generally 'feel' (and just as often actually are) better than most of the ones that have come before.
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Out with the old, in with the new... as they say.
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I'd simply prefer to see these sets buffs and brought a bit more up to standard of newer sets.
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I'm saying the oni and defenses need to go and get new things in place *sagenod*|
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
going by that logic though, you're saying that ninjas need to be removed, along with quite a few other powersets.
I'd simply prefer to see these sets buffs and brought a bit more up to standard of newer sets. |
Though honestly I wouldn't mind a full overhaul of the entire set either.
What the OP is talking about is a change to the way the 3rd tier Ninjas henchman functions and behaves, as well as a visual change. That is significantly more than just changing the color of a power.
And the change is being requested simply because the OP doesn't like the current tier 3 pet. I don't see that as being a good enough reason by itself to change it.
Show me where the pet doesn't work how it's supposed to, or is significantly weaker than the other tier 3 pets and I might be inclined to support a change. Saying "change this because I don't like it" doesn't cut it for me, and I suspect won't cut it for the devs either. I've been wrong before, but I don't think I am in this particular instance.
See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.