Emperor Cole at the end of the Power Loyalist Arc...

Enriche is not the only source of drinkable water in Praetoria. Enriche is -BOTTLED- inside the only Water Treatment plant in Praetoria.

There are slogans on the walls warning people that there's something in the water. Most people ignore it to some degree, but those who -don't- ignore it drink the Enriche, instead. So either the Regime is responsible for some of the graffiti in a reverse psychology plan to get people to drink Enriche instead of water, it's some whackaloon who thinks the water is drugged when it isn't, or you're damned no matter what you do as you chug a sedative.

Personally I'm inclined to believe the water isn't drugged, since that would require EVERYONE in Praetoria to suck down sedatives, including Cole, Mama Mayhem, and the Cops. And generally speaking you don't want the police force sedated.

Besides, when the Wardens intend to destroy the Enriche facility, blowing up the only source of clean water is a nasty side-effect of that. If the water was drugged then it would be the target, not the Enriche.

So either Reverse Psychology (Devious!) Or just some nutjob conspiracy theorist.

There is no end-game for the Resistance. The Crusader End-Game is destroy Praetoria, lock stock and barrel. If you're not against Cole you die. End of story. You sat on the sidelines for the fighting? Bullet in the brainpan; Squish!

The Warden End game basically consists of take showing everyone in Praetoria the evils of their society. They've got no plan for when the great mass of people react, either by Rioting in the streets (resulting in hundreds or thousands of deaths) or shrugging their shoulders and saying "It doesn't affect me and this is better than when we were all being hunted by Devoured"

Both groups aren't looking for a brighter tomorrow. They're just wrapped up in "Get rid of Cole, now" They have no unifying goal BEYOND that. Democracy? Bullspit. The Crusaders are just going to blow up everything. If there is a notable population after the nukes go up, the remaining crusaders and destroyers will take over in a brutal manner.

Longbow and Vanguard as peacekeepers? Martial Law will become the next Oppressive Regime, and we're right back at square one with the Resistance. Or at least that's how the Crusaders feel like they're written.

While I know that the Seers are misused for a lot of purposes, they are ABSOLUTELY responsible for keeping people safe. They alert the police of hostile activity in the Responsibility arcs, and when you're finally given the opportunity to destroy them in the Warden arcs the Narrration tells you directly that they help keep people safe. Whether they're often misused or not, it is fact that they regularly aid in keeping people safe from harm.

Also, I'm not sure if the Seers ignore the Destroyers on Tilman's orders. We're given reason to believe that the Praetors don't really know what each others secret projects are. While Tilman probably knows by virtue of being a super psychic, it's likely that White and Duncan's Destroyers aren't sanctioned by Cole. I don't remember even being given evidence that the Seers actively ignore ANY threat, but I may just be missing it.

In Evil Manticore's arc, he specifically states that Tillman screens targets out if asked by another Praetor.

The Seers' function could be served just as well by a volunteer corps. The slavery and systematic psychic cannibalism is still indefensible. Praetoria pretends to be a Metahuman Oligarchy with Cole at the top and the Seers works to give the normal masses someone to crap on and be afraid of at the same time.

It's definitely true that Cole doesn't know what all of his Praetors are doing.

And each Praetor doesn't know what the people under them are doing.

Run Praetor Barry's arc as a power Loyalist and you'll see what I mean, first hand. or you can read about it Here. But it's a fact that Cole isn't aware of -everything-. And while only a fool would say he may be completely innocent, just a figurehead for evil, I do think that he might be innocent of many of the crimes laid at his feet.

-Rachel-

Sinclair asks that they're screened because it's special ops. It's not quite the same thing. Sinclair's men are supposed to be off the grid entirely. And I'm not saying Tillman /can't/ tell them to ignore certain men, I'm saying I'm not convinced she knows what Marauder and Duncan are doing.

But yes, the Seers could be volunteer corps, but then they'd be in an even stronger position to abuse the system than the regular PPD. Don't get me wrong, I fully agree that Slavery is wrong and Immoral. I'm personally in favor of installing those devices they've got throughout town to completely shut off all psychic activity within the city. I'm opposed to the Seers AND I'm opposed to PPD's Psi-Cop division, but I'm also opposed to letting telepaths just run around being telepaths.



And Rachel, yeah, I'd really wonder just how much Cole does and does not know. I think it's safe to say that nobody told him about the Destroyers.

Their purpose to to keep the dictatorship safe, not the people

Even if you're going to look at it from the cynical point of view, a dictatorship without people to dictate to isn't very safe.

I think it'd be pretty safe from a popular uprising

See Praetor Berry's arc. It outright states that he doesn't know everything.

He knows enough

But there's "control", and then there's "fascist repression"

Tyran'ts evil dictatorship can't be justified in any way - and only a loyalist stormtrooper would try to justify it

Please provide evidence from the game showing that he knows what's going on.

... You're really not that dumb.. .are you? Seriously?

Read the first paragraph of what you posted. The point of the statement was: Without a People to Govern, a Government doesn't Exist"

Basically, the government must keep it's people safe (repressed, sure, but safe) or else it has nothing to rule.

Get your head out of Calvin Scott's third point of impact and realize what's being said, or stop posting.

-Rachel-

I've had certain RL types demand something very similar when their idol and the crimes aginst humanity carried out by his followers are brought up - and the answer is the same - "logic"

...You don't actually know how logic works, do you? Logic is a process by which one takes facts and evidence and reaches a conclusion from them. I'm asking you to give the facts and evidence you used to reach your conclusions. So let's try this again...

Please provide evidence that ties Emperor Cole to the various crimes that are being committed throughout the government. I propose that Cole is uninvolved in both the Ghouls and the Destroyers, and has no absolute connection to the Seers being anything more than the Seers appear to be to common civilians. I also propose that Cole, while very charismatic, is far from more intelligent than all his Praetors and it would be entirely plausible for them to hide things from him much in the way that I know, from personal experience, Praetor Berry hides things from him.

Actually, without the loyalists, there'd be a lot more people alive

lol

List compiled.

-Rachel-

Ohhh that's right... The Search function is unique to any person who uses it...

Just do a forum search for all posts by GG and you'll have your list. =-3

-Rachel-