List of uber sets
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Posted on: 2010-09-18 06:26 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Fire/rad trollers and corruptors are pretty freaking OMGWTFWIN.
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If that were true, he would have to be some kind of bumbler that wasn't aware of how well or poorly the powers he designed worked and just changed things to produce maximum frustration and annoyance in the players. That could hardly be so
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Originally Posted by Silverado
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Then my vote goes to electric melee/shield defense. :P|
Originally Posted by Silverado
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Anyway, 1337 sets you say?
Let's see, fire/kin troller, plant/kin troller, fire/rad troller, ill/rad troller, earth/sonic troller, warshade, going to throw my fav out and say mind/earth dom. Spines/fire armor scrapper, fire melee/ shield defense, the list goes on... only named about a 10th of them.
It'd be easier to say the one that aren't.... Gravity/ anything, trick arrow set needs help, poison could use a tune up.... That's about it.... XD
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I would not be so sure. Combinations are harder to quantify than individual sets. Some sets just play better with certain powers or strategies than others. For example, Fire control is one of the more damage-focused control sets. Kinetics is about buffing the amount of damage (Siphon Power and Fulcrum Shift) and the speed of that damage (Siphon Speed and Transference) you put out. Stands to reason they would play well together. Fire/Rad Controllers and Corruptors have a similar playstyle, except can do it more safely, provided their anchor does not drop.|
Originally Posted by Silverado
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When a single set is considered to be overpowered because of a single power, even if was just due to a buff gone awry (Shield Defense's Shield Charge, for example. Back in the day, Regeneration's toggle-Instant Healing would be another), then the outlier is more easily identified and corrected. If that trick is the only thing the set can do well, then that trick might be nerfed and the rest of the set might be buffed to compensate or at least still make people consider the set (Psi Assault).
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Originally Posted by Silverado
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You give them far too much credit
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Originally Posted by Silverado
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There are many things different sets can be overpowered in terms of. Some people may deem effective single target dps on an AV or speed farming as the only two things they need to know.
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Originally Posted by Novawulfe
It'd be easier to say the one that aren't.... Gravity/ anything, trick arrow set needs help, poison could use a tune up.... That's about it.... XD
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That's for sure, and it would be easier, and better for the game, if the devs would buff up some of the underperforming sets that players just aren't playing. Simply tweaking the numbers on some sets would be almost like creating all-new powersets for players to enjoy.
Having said that, if there is anything in this game that is clearly overpowered, it's stacking buffs and debuffs, without any doubt whatsoever, and by a longshot over anything else. Whenever anything is nerfed, I have to wonder how this obvious fact is missed by the devs involved.
I kind of basically count a few factors. One kind: Farmers. Another: Survives anything/Can do just about any TF without dying. Another: The ones that have alot of awesome "tricks". Like Ill/rad. You can use it for master runs because of it's awesome ability to avoid aggro. @Dragons has an ill/rad he takes on master runs. Awesome. I figure, if you'd got a toon that people say, "Hey, we're trying to make an all star team, grab Ricky Rat (my personal favorite 'ubertoon')" It counts for what my definition of uber is. I actually don't even count my firekin, because it draws too much aggro and dies on TF's alot.
Oh, another factor. Survivable solo. A blaster you've got set up to wipe out everything doesn't count I think, if you absolutely have to have a tank to back him up. The team play thing is all well and good. But I count the best toons as the ones that can split up for speed TF's and take out their own objectives.
Trap/AR, Trap/Dark, Dark/Trap, Fire/Trap, AR/Trap...........
I've recently been playing a F/K controller with nothing but half-slotted powers slotted with nothing but level 35 common IOs. It's level 39, maybe 40 now. It's ridiculous. Even with nothing but accuracy and recharge slotted in the powers I did bother to slot, I'm wiping out +0/8 in complete safety and doing more damage than... almost anything. I don't even have the PPP attack yet...
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Man, the more I think about it, the more I think Stalker gets screwed over for not having Shield set. Sure, the theme doesn't match but Elec/Shield on Stalker can be just as deadly. One of the toggles don't work that well? Modify it! Just like what they did for Willpower.
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Originally Posted by Novawulfe
Then my vote goes to electric melee/shield defense. :P
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I don't think one set alone should reach max. damage cap but it is just me. I don't know how they balance Kin but one FS with just a small group of enemies can reach or almost reach damage cap. It is ridiculous IMO. Either increase the recharge to "true nuke" recharge or reduce affected targets.
Yeah, I nominate Kinetic and it's really FS that is "uber". The rest of set is ok.
Other "uber" sets are all 4 branches in SoA. 
Well, you can debate about Bane but even Bane is very good.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I'll toss in my support for VEATs, too. They can be amazing. My huntsman feels like a ranged Assualt Rifle/Super Reflexes/Bots/Soul Blastfendermind.
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for farming, sure. I have found that if i see a build that looks like a farm build, i generaly dont want them on my ITF or any TF that i want to roll through. The farming mentality doesnt translate well to teaming. those builds are usually geared towards soloing. It may be just me, but my history of fire/kins on any TF had been anything but stellar. Your milage and track record may vary.
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Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
Fire/rad trollers and corruptors are pretty freaking OMGWTFWIN.
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They said Fire / Rad not Fire / Kin.|
Originally Posted by Medic_brietz
for farming, sure. I have found that if i see a build that looks like a farm build, i generaly dont want them on my ITF or any TF that i want to roll through. The farming mentality doesnt translate well to teaming. those builds are usually geared towards soloing. It may be just me, but my history of fire/kins on any TF had been anything but stellar. Your milage and track record may vary.
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/ Rad and TF go together like peanut butter and jelly. You figure out which is which
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he probably pays special attention to anything you play silver
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Originally Posted by Silverado
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In terms of providing the mother of all alphas it is uber.
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Originally Posted by Blunt_Trauma
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Normally "every six minutes" means "recharges in six minutes", not "takes six minutes to set up", dawn, but I can see your point as well.
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I wouldnt say bumbler, but after seeing how shield charge got relooked at after the thread that pointed out to castle that is was overpowered inidcates to be that dev's arent all knowing and forum posts can show them factors to look at.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
If that were true, he would have to be some kind of bumbler that wasn't aware of how well or poorly the powers he designed worked and just changed things to produce maximum frustration and annoyance in the players. That could hardly be so
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I wouldn't say it's one power set, but rather, some combos. And for that, I would think that's just normal.
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What have you found to be the "Uber sets"? Not just really cool, but the ones that are almost unfair? Firekin obviously makes the cut. I haven't finished my Ill/Rad, but I've seen them do awesome things. Just a fun thread to throw out what you guys have found to be the amazing sets. I've heard traps/sonic defenders can become AV soloers, anyone coroborate (misspelled?) this? So far, my favorite toon is the DM/SR scrapper. AoE is not the best, but he can survive any mob that decides to get in his face, and his single target damage is awesome. Great AV/EB/Boss fighter. Love it.