New n00bs

What's this "team" you speak of?

Is that the 7 other people that are doing things while I'm stabbing stuff in the face?

It's a video game, dying is not the end of the world. You didn't fail at life because a fictional, pixelated character had a variable number reduced to zero. I'm more annoyed when I DC than when I die.

If you have someone standing behind you with a gun, ready to shoot you in the head if your character drops I could see being uptight about it. But that probably isn't the case for anyone playing (though I wonder where that one scrapper went that I teamed with a while back.....)

It seems that, for some people at least, it's less a matter of winning as it is a matter of "culture." I rarely sympathise with that, however, much in the same way as I don't sympathise with people who tell me I should wear suits or that I should shave my beard. Which is why I'm getting the "things should happen the RIGHT way" which translates into "things should happen MY way" vibe from.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

New players. Old players. The noobery it is still the same.

Bill is awesome and 100% correct.

At no time in this game's history has "we need a healer" (let alone two ROTFL) been the correct answer to anything.

buffs/debuffs/control ftw.


EDIT: When the "powers" dev says that what players do with buffs/debuffs stacking trivializes (paraphrasing) content (hint: he didn't say heals) then that tells you something.

Yep, completely behind Bill here. The simple rule to teaming in CoX is: "anything can do anything". Yeah, sure, there are some combos which synergize well, but if you actually think you need them, then what you really need is to learn how to play.

I will add this though. IMO, if the team doesn't wipe at least once per mish, then the difficulty is set too low...

Oh my. Zaion, would you ever hate having one of my Empaths on your team. I buff and attack, rarely using my heals, because, quite frankly, they don't need to be used.

Give me any team make-up. I will never say "No you can't join the team, I need x powers, not y powers".

OP: Check out the Iron Eagles (Player Events section). We play "hardcore:" Any defeat results in deleting the character and starting over.

We take teamwipes very seriously. :P

I'm in agreement with Bill. Even when I'm playing my Iron Eagles, if someone wants to join the team and asks "what do you guys need?" I can't bring myself to tell them -- it's a point of personal pride to be able to play with any weird combination that shows up on a given night.

About stacking buffs: if a defense-based Tanker is softcapped, he might want a +resistance buff instead of another stacked +defense buff.

I'm gonna take a stand here and say that if that's what the OP is experiencing, the problem and blame lies solely with the Leader of his group.

Forming and Leading PuGs is my primary form of play, and modesty aside I'm probably one of the best Leaders you're ever gonna see, to the point that I often feel obligated to log-in and Lead a PuG just to give other players a truely hassle-free, xp-packed, fun-filled few hours online, thus encouraging them to keep playing this wonderful game.

Good leaders take a hands-off (but note Mute) approach until things start to go to s**t. Then the Leader has to be willing to step in, describe a tactical approach, and even call out the real screw-ups (in PRIVATE TELLS never in Team chat) if they're making the experience suck for the rest of the team. If a Rage Quit ensues, so be it, I never like losing teammates but can fill their spot in a matter of seconds if forced to.

With no hyperbole I can state that almost ALL my PuGs result in me being Friended, G-Friended, or simply complimented and thanked as my PuGgers retire for the evening.

OP: if you're unhappy with the Leadership (or lack thereof) of your Team, buck up and FORM ONE YOURSELF.

Yes, it takes a bit more effort. But in time Forming and Leading becomes second nature, and you'll actually GIVE SOMETHING BACK to this wonderful game and community.

You guys and your "complementary powersets" and "all tanker teams" and "buffs/debuffs" and all those silly unneccessary things.

I tried to get my static team to agree on an all-Blaster team for our Preatoria run. But we're going with all buff/debuff because they are all wusses. So we will have to resort to my Plan B: an all-drunk team. No, it's not on Pinnacle.

Zaion: I disagree with you about the "full team without good buffs." Because it's damn near impossible to find eight players who are active and doing SOMETHING like their job and have SOMETHING like a decent build who can't make it work.

Let's build this ineffective team. Starting with all-Heros for simplicity.

Can't have more than three blasters- I've seen a 4-blaster team with a tank on point. I've been the tank. My job was pretty much "Forward observer" and villains basically had time to do three things: turn, look at me, and wake up in the prison hospital.

Can't have any buffers - no force fields, no cold, no thermal, no sonic, no empaths. No Traps.

Can't have much in the line of controllers.

Clearly if it's causing trouble you don't have SO'd out Rad or Dark defenders. Either of those is only stopped from tanking by the limited supply of Break Frees.

You don't have a COMPETENT Storm defender. (I can't speak to Trick Arrows. The team goes better with TA on the team but I don't know why.)

No Kheldians- they could off-tank, or blast, or both, and they'd be buffed by their teammates.

So... five scrappers, two blasters and a Kin defender? No, cause five scrappers with Speed Boost are going to be racing the tank in there and ripping stuff up.

Tell me. What's this mythical 8-person team of otherwise skilled players that can't keep the tank alive?