Best 50 to optimize/farm with?


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Alrighty. So, I understand some folks have eleventy billion dollars. I've managed to stick around since launch and haven't even passed the 250mill mark, so I should probably get right on that.

With that in mind... for the folks that are more familiar with the #s than myself, what are opinions on which would be the best of the following characters to optimize for inf farming (I'm assuming that some combination of Architect or Ouro Merit farming is the way to go? Mix of inf & recipes to sell?):

Fire/Storm Cont
Stone/Elec Brute
Bot/Dark MM
Arach Soldier
Widow
DB/WP scrap
SS/DA brute

[Yes, I've been here since launch and I only have 7 50s. What!? I'm easily distracted.]

I also have a spines/da scrap in the 40s, in case that's a better option.


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I'd go with the Brute, if you figure out a way to have high recharge and good survivability (easy) while mantaining sustainable levels of endurance management (tricky)


 

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Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
Alrighty. So, I understand some folks have eleventy billion dollars. I've managed to stick around since launch and haven't even passed the 250mill mark, so I should probably get right on that.

With that in mind... for the folks that are more familiar with the #s than myself, what are opinions on which would be the best of the following characters to optimize for inf farming (I'm assuming that some combination of Architect or Ouro Merit farming is the way to go? Mix of inf & recipes to sell?):

Fire/Storm Cont
Stone/Elec Brute
Bot/Dark MM
Arach Soldier
Widow
DB/WP scrap
SS/DA brute

[Yes, I've been here since launch and I only have 7 50s. What!? I'm easily distracted.]

I also have a spines/da scrap in the 40s, in case that's a better option.
I would lvl up the spines/da scrapper and run with that. If you secondary build the soldier into a crab build, that might work as well. All depends on what kind of pace you want to set.


 

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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge View Post
I would lvl up the spines/da scrapper and run with that. If you secondary build the soldier into a crab build, that might work as well. All depends on what kind of pace you want to set.
Whatever is the fastest.

The soldier is crab specced atm and moderately IO'd already and is a great char, but even at their current slotting levels I'd wager either of the brutes are better.


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Roll a fire/kin
Without making a new char! I actually had a fire/kin I deleted around i1 or so after seeing so many around. I've never been able to convince myself to start another.


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Without making a new char! I actually had a fire/kin I deleted around i1 or so after seeing so many around. I've never been able to convince myself to start another.
I'm just joshin' Lobby, I actually love you, I've followed your Crab guide to the T and I'm almost lv 39. Chasin' that illustrious Purple Perma-pet build. <3


 

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I'm just joshin' Lobby, I actually love you, I've followed your Crab guide to the T and I'm almost lv 39. Chasin' that illustrious Purple Perma-pet build. <3
Yeah... that is one of the reasons for me wanting to finally get off my butt and farm me up some eleventybillions so I can finally purple out some alts! I'm quite please to hear that my guide is helping you - anytime you invest in creating something, hearing that someone else is benefiting from it is awesome.


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Stone/Elec is not hard to softcap and has ridiculously good mitigation in the form of Fault, which together with Tremor, can take a FF +Rech proc. So not only can you softcap, but you can easily run 150%+ recharge without really trying, and you don't need Hasten for it.


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Well done.
I have a 50 in every AT, but Scrappers and Dominators are my favorites.

 

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Stone/Elec is not hard to softcap and has ridiculously good mitigation in the form of Fault, which together with Tremor, can take a FF +Rech proc. So not only can you softcap, but you can easily run 150%+ recharge without really trying, and you don't need Hasten for it.
Softcapping defense on a non-defense set? That sounds intense. Yeah, that's a fun char, I'll see about starting there. I can always grab some kind of buffbot on the second account if that will help.


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Originally Posted by Lobster View Post
Whatever is the fastest.

The soldier is crab specced atm and moderately IO'd already and is a great char, but even at their current slotting levels I'd wager either of the brutes are better.
I would go with the spines/da then. I will be the first to admit I am biased towards spines though.

Honestly, the best way to raise inf in the game is through the market. Sure, by all means farm, but spend some time learning the market and you will be making inf hand over fist when you aren't even logged on.


 

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Fire/Dark Corrupter.

In my experience once fully IO'd out they are the most powerful characters in the PvE game.

There is very little that can bother me and I routinely go off and herd groups solo in 8 man missions.


 

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Making huge piles of INF is probably not your end goal is it? It is probably get all the expensive IOs that I would love to put into your builds right?

Prior to i18 I would have said that huge piles of inf and all the good IOs are about the same, but with the new tip missions and A merits I think a major shift in the market is happening. Because you can earn 1 LOTG +rech every 2 days for each toon over level 25 for minimal work (20 tips + 2 morality missions) I expect all non PVP and Purple IOs to bottom out at around 30mil or less. (Any farming 50 can make 5-10 mil in 1 hour, so 22 missions would probably average out to 2 hours and add in 10 mil more for the wait time)

Purples and PVP IOs on the other hand are more effiecient to farm for. Which require alot of time before one drops. Which means the good purples stay at the same price they have sold for in the past (100-300mil for the good ones and <30 mil for the less needed ones). PVPIOs are always going to be off the chart because of the super low drop rate, and low PVP attendance.

So you have some choices:
Step one: What do you want?
If you want purples and or PVP ios... you have to have huge piles of inf.
If you can get by with only cheap purples and lots of regular IOs you can get A merits at -1/1 instead of needing huge piles of inf. Run 5 tips on each toon every day, given enough time you will have more LOTG +rech than you know what to do with.

Step 2 If you want the money you can...
Market/Farm/Craft hybrid (best of all worlds)
Run AE missions for tickets and bronze roll. Craft the good stuff, delete or vendor the junk. Probably not gonna get impacted by the new A merits.
Market Arbitrage only:
High risk , low playing effort. With all the changes you probably dont want to do this.
Farm only:
Get a good farm mission map, run it at -1/8 as fast as possible to kill the 6000 mobs or what ever the average is to drop a purple in the shortest amount of time. Be sure to clear 10mil or so per hour in inf alone.
Craft only:
Buy up yellow IOs for cheap and craft them for profit.

If you picked farm or AE farm then you should pick one of your 50s that can handle -1/8 and go to town. Personally I would pick the Bots/Dark. Its probably the one that can do -1/8 without too many expensive IOs. Crabs and forts are great on teams, but I find that on -1/8 its just not as fast as MMs or Brutes.

The balanced method would be to:
Pick your lvl25+ A merit toon. This is the first thing you do every day. 5 tips a day. (Try to find a Tips team to make this more fun)
If you still have more play time for the day...
Pick your 50 farm toon. Set diff to -1/8 and search for "ticket farm" in AE. Max out tickets on one map (probably only need to clear 1/2 the map) 1400 for a huge map (remember that you get 1/2 for mission complete). Roll all your tickets at 30-35 bronze rolls. Delete all the crap and then craft the rest and place them on the market. If you run out of room you can email off to a market only toon.
If you still have more play time...
Pick another A merit toon and do 5 more tips.
More play time?
repeat previous step until you run out of level 25+ toons.
Once you get more LOTG+rech than you can use start selling them on the market until the price drops to 60mil or less.


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Originally Posted by RedSwitchblade View Post
Stone/Elec is not hard to softcap and has ridiculously good mitigation in the form of Fault, which together with Tremor, can take a FF +Rech proc. So not only can you softcap, but you can easily run 150%+ recharge without really trying, and you don't need Hasten for it.
Softcapping a farming build seems like an extreme waste of time and money. You get so many insps that you can't possibly use them all as fast as they drop. You only need about 25% to all positions to "effectively" softcap while farming by using the purples. Hell, on my elec/elec brute I'm usually in the 80s to all positions and capped on resistance just using inspirations.


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It's not just what AT/Primary/Secondary you use to farm with, but also what it is you are farming. Matching the right enemy group to farm can help when making a toon you are aiming to farm with. For example with the buff to Fire Armor it's very easy to run the Demon farm mission or in the AE over and over, probably even without IO's. Any AT can farm, some better than others, but even if you only farm a mission once or twice a day, or even just a week, it's worth it.


 

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If your goal is to make money, your key goal is marketing, not killing.


 

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Softcapping a farming build seems like an extreme waste of time and money. You get so many insps that you can't possibly use them all as fast as they drop. You only need about 25% to all positions to "effectively" softcap while farming by using the purples. Hell, on my elec/elec brute I'm usually in the 80s to all positions and capped on resistance just using inspirations.
Agreed. For farming, kill speed matters more than mitigation (which can be easily capped with dropped insps). So SS/ is probably the best bet from that list, and despite it being coupled with /DA, the OP can get by with insp drops.


 

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If your goal is to make money, your key goal is marketing, not killing.
While true, it is very very boring. Yes even more boring than farming the same mobs over and over. At least for me.


 

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I'd say level the spines/dark scrapper. My main farmer is spines/dark and i totally love that character, i don't think anything can go much faster though elec/shield and fire/kin can probably do a little bit better, it's not significant enough to make up for the fun of it


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While true, it is very very boring. Yes even more boring than farming the same mobs over and over. At least for me.
Learning to market takes a little time, once you have it figured out though, it just takes minutes a day!

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It's not just what AT/Primary/Secondary you use to farm with, but also what it is you are farming. Matching the right enemy group to farm can help when making a toon you are aiming to farm with. For example with the buff to Fire Armor it's very easy to run the Demon farm mission or in the AE over and over, probably even without IO's. Any AT can farm, some better than others, but even if you only farm a mission once or twice a day, or even just a week, it's worth it.
Good advice. However, IOing out a farm toon makes it easier to ignore what it is you are farming. In the end, they are all just bags of influence.

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Softcapping a farming build seems like an extreme waste of time and money. You get so many insps that you can't possibly use them all as fast as they drop. You only need about 25% to all positions to "effectively" softcap while farming by using the purples. Hell, on my elec/elec brute I'm usually in the 80s to all positions and capped on resistance just using inspirations.
One of the nice things about building for recharge on a farm toon is you get a whack of +def along with it. Yes you can cap defence with inspirations, but we don't have a +recharge skittle.


 

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While true, it is very very boring. Yes even more boring than farming the same mobs over and over. At least for me.
While I don't find marketeering thrilling, it simply doesn't take long enough to get boring. 5 minutes when I first log on, and sometimes the same when I'm logging off, and I can pull in hundreds of millions of inf a day.


 

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I don't have a vastly expensive build on my Crab but have been farming +0/x8 quite easily since he hit 50.

A buffer from your second account would probably slow you down as bosses would turn up as bosses rather than lieutenants.


 

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I'm assuming that some combination of Architect or Ouro Merit farming is the way to go?
Heck of an assumption there.

I made quite a few of my billyuns on a L17 (now level 26- I did some actual play) rad/sonic .

Although since Going Rogue I've made probably over half a billion by cashing in Amerits.

If you get sick of tip missions you can do task forces or ouro or anything else that gets you 50 reward merits, spend 20 million and cash in.

Or hmm, you could make half a billion by buying, crafting, and reselling ten purple IO's. Bo-ring!


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Wow, lots of replies since last I checked. Thanks for the input folks! Let's see:

I don't mind mixing market farming in (and in fact I plan to do some of that as well), but I don't want the focus to be there just because a) it bores me b) I'm not very good at it yet and c) I have limited capital to invest - I assume that once I hit a billion or so this becomes easier? I realize that I need to do some research into this as well, but if someone has a link to a handy market farming guide I'd appreciate that as well.

I dug around on the brute/scrap/tank forums and didn't see a softcapped elec armor build (or even a 25% one) - it sounds like you guys are pretty familiar with that, so would someone mind posting one for me?

Someone mentioned elec/shield... if that's that much stronger than stone/elec I have one @41 that would do. I enjoy playing him, but he does always feel weak on single target mop-up.

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I'm assuming that some combination of Architect or Ouro Merit farming is the way to go?
Heck of an assumption there.
Yes, this is why I ended it with a question mark. When I last looked into it (a couple issues back), that's what people were doing (in addition to market farming, sorry I took that as a given).

I haven't dabbled in the hero/villain merit stuff at all yet, mostly because I don't have much interest on playing characters outside of my new ones, but I will get to it eventually. What is this "cashing in" on Alignment merits? You mention 50merits +20 mill - is that the price for a LotG +rech?

To those who suggest making new characters: No, that's part of the point of this post: "What can I do with what I have?"


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