Martial Arts as Blaster Secondary?

IMO, people suggesting the set are putting too much melee in it.
It doesn't have to be a straight port of a melee set. Throw in some shuriken. Some already exist for Scrappers.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Frost I that would be good but what primary would that go with?

New one:
"Munitions"
Net(like Entangling arrow)
Ranged stun gun
AOE grenades: poison gas(sleep), toxic gas(choking cloud hold/puke), stun, glue(like glue arrow), flash bang
Last power can be a robot or something.

Though, I guess this is more a "Tech" thing.

Over the years, just about everything has been proposed as potential new powersets. I think an MA based secondary has a lot of possibilities.

If you want to go with a first power immob, then there's all kinds of ways to do it. You could go with a something mystic like "Rooting Chi" or for the more natural approach, say "Paralytic Dart" and borrow one of the origin power animations.

Alternatively, copy Energy Manip and give it a Power Thrust clone. Hell, just copy power thrust and remove the glow.

The rest of a set would be pretty easy to fill out with various MA powers.

If I could get something like the below, I'd be inclined to come back to CoH (which I most likely will have left for greener pastures by then).

1. Driving Blow: Minor DMG, Foe Knockback (Power Thrust).
2. Caltrops: Ranged (Location AoE), Minor DoT, Foe -Speed.
3. Physical Perfection: Auto: Self, +Regeneration, +Recovery.
4. Dragon's Tail: PbAoE Melee, Moderate DMG, Foe Knockdown. 15' radius.
5. Focused Chi: Self +DMG, +ToHit (Build Up).
6. Shadow Step: Toggle: Self Stealth, +DEF (All).
7. Smoke Flash: PbAoE Foe Placate.
8. Quickness: Auto: Self +Recharge, +SPD, Res (Slow).
9. Eagle's Claw: Melee, Superior DMG, Foe Disorient.

Well they are still probably better of then stalkers but that isn't saying much.

Really I think a lack of indentity is half the problem. All the CoH ATs were made to be basic appealing to the normal RPG mold with little more to them, they've tried to fix that but they what they are and probably always will be. The CoV classes on the other hand were all designed around a mechanic to give them a different play style for their counter parts. It isn't so noticable in the corruptor's case as they play pretty much like a blaster/defender hybrid but Brutes, Dominators, Stalker and Masterminds all force you to play them very differently. Brutes need rage and must be build around that, Dom play different in domination mode, stalker must hide and use assassin's strike, masterminds are well masterminds. Brutes, Scrappers, Controlers all still do exactly the same thing they did before (just a little better thanks ot their inherents now) but since their counterparts play differently they will always have some appeal just for a different experience.

Blasters on the other hand (along with defends to some extend but defenders are so good at what they do it doesn't matter as much) play pretty much like a gimped version of any class with a ranged power set. I really think the blaster's need an inherent which changes how you play them like the CoV classes in order to give them identity. Right now defiance is pretty much designed to ensure you don't need to do anything differently just blast away under all conditions which is what people always did with blasters.

Blasters have a problem?

I hadn't noticed. Seriously, since Castle fixed Defiance, the AT is pretty great.

lol i have been "barking up this tree" for the last 2 years , because i really dont understand the blaster secondary . is it, or isnt it, a mele set . if so why does it have all the " meh sets" if blasters would have at least got a port of km I would have been overjoyed . I vote for any thing that gives blasters more secondary options lets see some SS,MA,DM,KM ports

Blaster secondaries aren't that hard to understand. They give you a little control, some attacks, and a self buff.

The problem with Blaster Secondaries are how the game has changed.

1: +Recharge builds mean that you don't have use for as many attacks. So having extra attacks in the secondary is superfluous.

2: +Defense builds are a lot easier if you only focus on Rng and maybe AoE, so it makes more sense now to actually use range as a defense.

Those two reasons together kind of work against Blapping nowadays, which means that the strong secondary attacks don't have as much use as they did some issues ago when doing Moar Damage Now was the Blaster's main defense. Now a Blaster can actually get defense at range, fire from range when mezzed, and get a complete attack chain at range.

However, the secondary design was valid for quite a long time, and while I think future secondaries are going to be a little more tilted towards utility and range than as melee-heavy as Fire, Electric, and Energy, I doubt that they are going to go too far away from normal "several melee powers" design.

I think a "Jujutsu" (as in Japanese jujutsu and not that brazilian jiu-jitsu junk) set would be more appropriate secondary for Blasters and Dominators. Locks, throws, and joint manipulations make a pretty nifty canvas for a manipulation based secondary that fits nicely into a Natural origin context. Certainly, the Devs would have some animations to tweak and build but it'd add a lot to the game

Jujutsu [spell how you like] would be interesting to see. If Air Superiority can knock down a giant robot, so could this...

As far as what Blasters bring to the table that other AT's do not? I took down 20 enemies in 10 seconds once with a Fire/Elec. That was when I decided that having Firebreath, Fireball, and Static Discharge didn't mean I could take Inferno out of my build.

First, to the task at hand:

Bolas: ST ranged immob, no damage, 50% chance for knockdown

Storm Kick: Damage upped to that of Energy Punch

Focused Chi: Focus Chi/Build Up clone, but also gives melee attacks a 5-10% chance to crit so it has an altered name

Crane Kick: Damage upped to that of Bone Smasher

Caltrops

Cobra Strike: Damage put back to pre-buff

Quickness

Distract: ST foe placate, -def

Nerve Strike: Shocking Grasp clone, karate chop animation


On the topic of Blaster balance:

I think either their damage cap should increase to the Brute's or HP increased to the Scrapper's, or maybe some +recharge and +tohit added to Defiance?

I've been playing for over 4 years now and my first real character was a Blaster (Energy/Devices), fell in love with them then and I still play them now (currently Fire/Devices and Archery/Mental going through the levels). A part of the real fun to me is that, yes, Blasters are squishy, but their damage really does make up for it.. Sometimes. They're tricky to play, very active, very quick but rewarding as they're not about the raw numbers, but rather playing with the enemy AI to best effect to minimise the damage you take. On the other hand, it's also about nuking them into next week before they can do anything.

With a Brute-level damage cap, or at least a raised one, they'd be a better buff choice in teams and can really make a difference with the damage when compared to, say, a damage capped Corruptor, it's a case of working out the balance points between self +damage vs buffs/debuffs.

With the Scrapper level of HP, hopefully combined with an HP cap increase aswell, it'd give Blasters more oppertunities for IOs other than just slapping on 30%+ defense and be done with it. I for one know that if Beet had 1800 or so HP (and I ran out of excess inf IOing out) he'd be almost as hard to kill as my Katana/DA Scrapper, while still throwing out just as much, if not more damage.

And finally, if given additional benefits with Defiance (I really did prefer the old defiance tbh..) then it'd make them the building avalanche of damage that their counterparts can be. If I throw out a Fire Blast, it currently gives an 11% damage buff (if Mids is to be believed), but what if it also gave an 11% recharge and 5.5% tohit buff? Or let's up the numbers, increase all Defiance damage buffs by 50% on top of the additional buffs. The highest damage buff I've been able to get when testing out Defiance is about 30-40%, maybe 50% if I've got Hasten or a few outside recharge buffs going. Alternatively, I could have just used a couple red insp, killed a group and got them back without having to constantly use the quicker, lower damaging attacks meaning that enemies are alive longer anyway for the damage buff to not really matter because I've been planted before the buff was meaningfull.

Meanwhile, Brutes can tank x4 missions easily and get a 150-170% damage buff in about 10 seconds, which is about how long a Blaster's small Defiance buff will last.